This is all funny until you do it. Trying this kind of shit in 2009 as I was starting to fully transition got me a full swing baseball bat to my hip. I laid there for maybe 30 mins before I could crawl to a phone.
From a safety standpoint, please don’t do this. Just flip them off as you walk away and then vote as if your life depends on it, because it just may.
This is why everyone who isn’t a cis hetero white Christian man absolutely needs to buy a gun and learn how to use it. It’s your job to defend yourself. (Don’t get me wrong, allies are great, and people should be helping each other against the bigots, but end of the day, you’re alone, gotta defend yourself)
Edit: also, I’m really sorry that happened, not trying to blame the victim, just advocating for people taking their power back
Depending on the jurisdiction, always have a baseball and potentially gloves with you as well. Having only a baseball bat can be considered as either possession of a weapon or having an intent to cause harm I think, which can really backfire when authorities get involved.
IANAL, and anyone reading should consult their local laws surrounding self-defence before carrying items for the express purpose of self-defence
A mod deleted my comment and suggested I approach in a better way. I apologize for my presentation.
You were righteously angry. And, it’s definitely not ethical for the other to respond to words with physical violence.
I’m a multiple-minority with a strong sense of justice. I speak from experience when I say: We must pick our battles and means wisely, particularly since the orange baffoon emboldened a wide scope and magnitude of hatred.
I wasn’t there. But, it seems almost certain this was not a wise battle for you to fight alone, perhaps at all. There’s almost certainly something you should learn from this. And, whatever it is to be learned, it’s definitely not to silence yourself and advocate others follow.
If you tell us more and solicit others’ input then maybe there’s insight we could offer. And, if this isn’t a safe enough space to do that, PM me. I’ll share a place where such a post would be very well-received.
Gotta organize against physical violence any time of the day. Exercising violence to silence the voices that do not call to violence themselves should become unthinkable.
No. Hard to do when there was no way to identify them. I mouthed off at a gas station, and before I could react, a dude jumped out of a truck and assaulted me.
I’m sorry that happened to you but I appreciate you warning people of the dangers of being confrontational with these people.
It’s not worth it. You won’t change their mind, people nearby aren’t going to clap for you, you’re just unnecessarily putting yourself in harms way because many of these people are not kind, they will respond aggressively.
And to add, they will only fight if they have an unfair advantage (more people, better weapons, etc). It’s better to defend your own ground if necessary.
That both tracks and also says all anyone needs to hear about how much they actually believe in their religion that says to turn the other cheek. Holy hell
Zero actual content or explanation, and instead just a pure angry gibberish.
I see where the take you decided to attack comes from. By simply calling to “ignore” violence, we give rise to it - and before long, being hit with the bat for reversing a verbal attack and defending from bullying becomes something normal and seemingly acceptable. It is absolutely not and never should be.
But the person in question was not in a position to fix that. Having others who sympathize with you or just can’t allow for violence to flourish could seriously turn the tides of the conversation and would probably never lead to violence in the first place. And instead of recognizing that, they seemingly came to a broader conclusion that one should never respond to such aggressive verbal takes in fear of physical attack - thereby completing its original goal as a silencing tool.
I cannot help but notice, though, that it was framed in a bit of a rough tone, which might not help to drive the message across.
This is all funny until you do it. Trying this kind of shit in 2009 as I was starting to fully transition got me a full swing baseball bat to my hip. I laid there for maybe 30 mins before I could crawl to a phone.
From a safety standpoint, please don’t do this. Just flip them off as you walk away and then vote as if your life depends on it, because it just may.
This is why everyone who isn’t a cis hetero white Christian man absolutely needs to buy a gun and learn how to use it. It’s your job to defend yourself. (Don’t get me wrong, allies are great, and people should be helping each other against the bigots, but end of the day, you’re alone, gotta defend yourself)
Edit: also, I’m really sorry that happened, not trying to blame the victim, just advocating for people taking their power back
In most countries you can’t buy a gun. Then again in most places that kind of violence carries significant jail time.
Oh, yeah I meant in the US… Sorry to be US centric
i dont think you will be able to vote away religious fundamentalism.
maybe bring a bat next time you are feeling cheeky, just in case.
Depending on the jurisdiction, always have a baseball and potentially gloves with you as well. Having only a baseball bat can be considered as either possession of a weapon or having an intent to cause harm I think, which can really backfire when authorities get involved.
IANAL, and anyone reading should consult their local laws surrounding self-defence before carrying items for the express purpose of self-defence
A mod deleted my comment and suggested I approach in a better way. I apologize for my presentation.
You were righteously angry. And, it’s definitely not ethical for the other to respond to words with physical violence.
I’m a multiple-minority with a strong sense of justice. I speak from experience when I say: We must pick our battles and means wisely, particularly since the orange baffoon emboldened a wide scope and magnitude of hatred.
I wasn’t there. But, it seems almost certain this was not a wise battle for you to fight alone, perhaps at all. There’s almost certainly something you should learn from this. And, whatever it is to be learned, it’s definitely not to silence yourself and advocate others follow.
If you tell us more and solicit others’ input then maybe there’s insight we could offer. And, if this isn’t a safe enough space to do that, PM me. I’ll share a place where such a post would be very well-received.
Gotta organize against physical violence any time of the day. Exercising violence to silence the voices that do not call to violence themselves should become unthinkable.
Did you sue them?
No. Hard to do when there was no way to identify them. I mouthed off at a gas station, and before I could react, a dude jumped out of a truck and assaulted me.
Fun! How pious of them.
Fucking me sideways, I am so sorry you went though that.
Surely the gas station had cameras?
We then know that they were white, were wearing clothing and the police says there were very fine people on both sides of this altercation.
But God forbid you try to drive of without paying. Then: believe it or not, straight to jail.
I’m sorry that happened to you but I appreciate you warning people of the dangers of being confrontational with these people.
It’s not worth it. You won’t change their mind, people nearby aren’t going to clap for you, you’re just unnecessarily putting yourself in harms way because many of these people are not kind, they will respond aggressively.
And to add, they will only fight if they have an unfair advantage (more people, better weapons, etc). It’s better to defend your own ground if necessary.
That both tracks and also says all anyone needs to hear about how much they actually believe in their religion that says to turn the other cheek. Holy hell
Supply side Jesus approves though
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This is a pure ragebait answer.
Zero actual content or explanation, and instead just a pure angry gibberish.
I see where the take you decided to attack comes from. By simply calling to “ignore” violence, we give rise to it - and before long, being hit with the bat for reversing a verbal attack and defending from bullying becomes something normal and seemingly acceptable. It is absolutely not and never should be.
But the person in question was not in a position to fix that. Having others who sympathize with you or just can’t allow for violence to flourish could seriously turn the tides of the conversation and would probably never lead to violence in the first place. And instead of recognizing that, they seemingly came to a broader conclusion that one should never respond to such aggressive verbal takes in fear of physical attack - thereby completing its original goal as a silencing tool.
I cannot help but notice, though, that it was framed in a bit of a rough tone, which might not help to drive the message across.