I don’t think we should be imprisoning the mentally ill (that’s more of a conservative thing) - I think we should be giving them access to treatment. From there, the bulk of the conservative brain damage should resolve itself.
Imprisoning those inciting violence against minorities based on lies and attempting to overthrow the government based on more lies seems like a responsible step in protecting Americans and American democracy though.
It’s hyperbole. They were mocking you for using “mentally disabled” as an insult. You’re the one talking like a conservative right now, using disability as a pejorative.
It’s not true when Conservatives say “Liberalism is a mental disorder”, just as it’s not true when Liberals say “Conservatism is a mental disorder”. The only thing that’s true in that context is that supporters of both major parties have no problem throwing people with mental disabilities under-the-bus over politics.
Republicans are stupid, they are ignorant, they are hateful; but none of those things constitutes a disability. If they did, I would have compassion like I would for any other disabled person.
So you think Jewish space lasers, the communist plot to steal the election, and Haitians barbecuing dogs is rational stuff that any well-adjusted person could believe?
This isn’t the GOP of a couple of decades ago that was wrong and monstrous - this is actual insanity.
I’m not saying that Republicans are well-adjusted or that their beliefs are defensible. I’m saying that they aren’t mentally disabled, and you shouldn’t use disability as a cudgel to bash in people you don’t like. Stupidity isn’t a disability, nor is evil, and I have no intent of treating them like they are.
You either want to protect Republican beliefs as a byproduct of a disability, which to that I say: fuck that, I intend to hold Republicans responsible for what they say and do.
Or you want disabled people to be punished for being disabled, because you think mental disability is a trait worthy of condemnation, which to that I say: fuck off you fucking fascist, disabled people deserve compassion and support.
I believe that Republicans are of sound mind, and are either extremely stupid or extremely evil. I offer zero forgiveness for those things. They should be held responsible for it, and not given the easy cop-out of being “disabled”.
If it were a disability, I wouldn’t hate them, I would pity them. I don’t pity them, I hate them, because everything that’s wrong with them is their fucking fault.
The level of stupidity required to believe the legitimately insane mainline GOP narrative is clear, unambiguous evidence of a significant cognitive impairment - i.e. a disability.
I don’t support punishing vulnerable people that have been exploited - I support getting them help. The liars should certainly be held to account, but I think your average GOP voter is sincere in their belief - that’s how Trump becomes such a central pillar of their identity.
Shall I take your arguments that my position is fascistic or hateful exploitation of the disabled as I advocate for support for the disabled to stop them being exploited by the GOP as extreme, evil stupidity?
I think you’re missing the point of the original comment. Describing modern conservatism as a disability at once absolves conservatives of their responsibility not to hold abhorrent views, by classing it as a characteristic they have no control over, and lumps people with disabilities into a group that, in a non-insignificant number of cases, wants them dead or sterilised.
That’s why the commenter was upset with you; not because you’ve criticised eugenics, but because you’ve been massively insensitive, and when someone pointed out that insensitivity you became defensive and attacked them in return.
I don’t think sane people are able to believe in things like Jewish space lasers, so I don’t think your average GOP voter should be held accountable for believing that kind of nonsense - they should be provided mental health care and an education in critical thinking skills. The people spreading those insane lies are a different story.
Are you a liar, or is the issue that you have toddler-tier reading comprehension? Let’s parse this out and see - what’s the basis for your wrong, not to mention stupid assumption that I hate disabled people?
Believing in deep-state Jewish space lasers, the sinister communist plot to steal the election, and roving gangs of Haitians snatching up and barbecuing dogs is totally rational stuff, I hear.
I don’t care if I get downvoted, I’m not here for that. I have been downvoted recently by neoliberals on this site for literally saying everyone should have the right to vote (and I quoted Lyndon B Johnson and the fucking constitution about this), so we can see how much a downvote is worth here. This isn’t a site for leftists or progressives, or even people with a basic understanding of the Civil Rights Era, and I understand that. So ofc there is someone advocating for something Nazi adjacent here, like medicalizing an entire voting base. Medicalizing something that isn’t a medical condition, especially acting as if their cognition is what is wrong, is something historically done to women in the US right before they got fucking lobotomized and put into conservatorship. It’s a conviction and punishment with no trial. Fascism. Not to mention what the actual Nazis did to people they considered disabled.
It’s not “pointing out” anything to medicalize them. It’s an attempt to erode their rights by using laws that ALREADY abuse disabled people.
It’s so funny how disabled people are the perfect weapon for pieces of shit who dont care about them. No one cares about helping the disabled unless it means they can weaponize them against another group they hate. Usually it’s the homeless but ig today it’s conservatives.
Yep - it’s rational, correct cognition to think that Haitians are stealing and eating people’s dogs, that Jewish space lasers caused the California wildfires, that a multi-trillion dollar fence will stop illegal immigration, that Hannibal Lecter was a real and good person, that Clinton should be locked up, but I’m voting for the felon, that the election was stolen, that the Democratic Party is a sinister communist cabal, that Michelle Obama is a man, that Biden has opened the borders and is importing millions of immigrants to steal the election, that the deep state is conspiring to do everything we don’t like…
These are the mainstream views of the party as propagated by its leaders - it says nothing of the chemtrails making the frogs gay, hollow earth types.
…and here you are, fantasising about me abusing and weaponising the disabled - maybe even pushing for a little light lobotomy because that allows you to feel morally superior. Personally, I’d recommend stepping out of your fantasy, grounding your comments in reality and being morally superior, but what would my apparently Nazi arse know?
Most conservatives don’t believe in those things, though. That’s all propaganda being fed to them.
I’m not fantasizing about your views regarding the disabled, I’m taking issue with what you literally said and explained why. If you don’t understand ableism, that’s on you.
No, if you can’t draw the line between me advocating for greater support for a community, and my exploitation of that community, that’s on you, my guy.
Modern conservatism is mental illness - it’s not a case of being dense - it’s a case of being genuinely disabled.
Ironic for a political ideology grounded in and returning to eugenics.
Modern conservativism should be treating by banning the mentally ill from running for office and by imprisoning them.
I don’t think we should be imprisoning the mentally ill (that’s more of a conservative thing) - I think we should be giving them access to treatment. From there, the bulk of the conservative brain damage should resolve itself.
Imprisoning those inciting violence against minorities based on lies and attempting to overthrow the government based on more lies seems like a responsible step in protecting Americans and American democracy though.
By “imprisoning the mentally ill” I was saying “imprison the conservatives”.
It’s hyperbole. They were mocking you for using “mentally disabled” as an insult. You’re the one talking like a conservative right now, using disability as a pejorative.
It’s not true when Conservatives say “Liberalism is a mental disorder”, just as it’s not true when Liberals say “Conservatism is a mental disorder”. The only thing that’s true in that context is that supporters of both major parties have no problem throwing people with mental disabilities under-the-bus over politics.
Republicans are stupid, they are ignorant, they are hateful; but none of those things constitutes a disability. If they did, I would have compassion like I would for any other disabled person.
So you think Jewish space lasers, the communist plot to steal the election, and Haitians barbecuing dogs is rational stuff that any well-adjusted person could believe?
This isn’t the GOP of a couple of decades ago that was wrong and monstrous - this is actual insanity.
I’m not saying that Republicans are well-adjusted or that their beliefs are defensible. I’m saying that they aren’t mentally disabled, and you shouldn’t use disability as a cudgel to bash in people you don’t like. Stupidity isn’t a disability, nor is evil, and I have no intent of treating them like they are.
You either want to protect Republican beliefs as a byproduct of a disability, which to that I say: fuck that, I intend to hold Republicans responsible for what they say and do.
Or you want disabled people to be punished for being disabled, because you think mental disability is a trait worthy of condemnation, which to that I say: fuck off you fucking fascist, disabled people deserve compassion and support.
I believe that Republicans are of sound mind, and are either extremely stupid or extremely evil. I offer zero forgiveness for those things. They should be held responsible for it, and not given the easy cop-out of being “disabled”.
If it were a disability, I wouldn’t hate them, I would pity them. I don’t pity them, I hate them, because everything that’s wrong with them is their fucking fault.
The level of stupidity required to believe the legitimately insane mainline GOP narrative is clear, unambiguous evidence of a significant cognitive impairment - i.e. a disability.
I don’t support punishing vulnerable people that have been exploited - I support getting them help. The liars should certainly be held to account, but I think your average GOP voter is sincere in their belief - that’s how Trump becomes such a central pillar of their identity.
Shall I take your arguments that my position is fascistic or hateful exploitation of the disabled as I advocate for support for the disabled to stop them being exploited by the GOP as extreme, evil stupidity?
They say the literal same thing about “libruls”.
All I see are 2 statists fighting.
ancaps not realizing they’re statists
Learn to evaluate claims. There is an objective reality out there, and it’s not defined by “who says.”
Sometimes one side’s just fucking wrong.
This is a disgusting thing to type, especially considering how eugenics is used against the disabled
You’re getting downvoted because you’re more disgusted by people talking about the problem than you are by the problem.
Denying eugenics would be disgusting,
Covering for those that support eugenics would be disgusting,
Being disgusted by someone pointing out the disgusting hypocrisy of eugenics and modern conservatism is disgusting.
Pointing out how monstrous and hypocritical modern conservatives and eugenicists are is a moral good.
I think you’re missing the point of the original comment. Describing modern conservatism as a disability at once absolves conservatives of their responsibility not to hold abhorrent views, by classing it as a characteristic they have no control over, and lumps people with disabilities into a group that, in a non-insignificant number of cases, wants them dead or sterilised.
That’s why the commenter was upset with you; not because you’ve criticised eugenics, but because you’ve been massively insensitive, and when someone pointed out that insensitivity you became defensive and attacked them in return.
I don’t think sane people are able to believe in things like Jewish space lasers, so I don’t think your average GOP voter should be held accountable for believing that kind of nonsense - they should be provided mental health care and an education in critical thinking skills. The people spreading those insane lies are a different story.
Look, it’s clear that you hate disabled people quite a bit, and that’s what I and others take offense to, not your criticisms of conservatism…
Are you a liar, or is the issue that you have toddler-tier reading comprehension? Let’s parse this out and see - what’s the basis for your wrong, not to mention stupid assumption that I hate disabled people?
I’m disgusted by people who use disability as a pejorative.
Attack Republicans all you want, but drag marginalized people into your insults and you can go fuck yourself.
Republicanism isn’t a mental disability. It’s a moral failure.
Believing in deep-state Jewish space lasers, the sinister communist plot to steal the election, and roving gangs of Haitians snatching up and barbecuing dogs is totally rational stuff, I hear.
I don’t care if I get downvoted, I’m not here for that. I have been downvoted recently by neoliberals on this site for literally saying everyone should have the right to vote (and I quoted Lyndon B Johnson and the fucking constitution about this), so we can see how much a downvote is worth here. This isn’t a site for leftists or progressives, or even people with a basic understanding of the Civil Rights Era, and I understand that. So ofc there is someone advocating for something Nazi adjacent here, like medicalizing an entire voting base. Medicalizing something that isn’t a medical condition, especially acting as if their cognition is what is wrong, is something historically done to women in the US right before they got fucking lobotomized and put into conservatorship. It’s a conviction and punishment with no trial. Fascism. Not to mention what the actual Nazis did to people they considered disabled.
It’s not “pointing out” anything to medicalize them. It’s an attempt to erode their rights by using laws that ALREADY abuse disabled people.
It’s so funny how disabled people are the perfect weapon for pieces of shit who dont care about them. No one cares about helping the disabled unless it means they can weaponize them against another group they hate. Usually it’s the homeless but ig today it’s conservatives.
Yep - it’s rational, correct cognition to think that Haitians are stealing and eating people’s dogs, that Jewish space lasers caused the California wildfires, that a multi-trillion dollar fence will stop illegal immigration, that Hannibal Lecter was a real and good person, that Clinton should be locked up, but I’m voting for the felon, that the election was stolen, that the Democratic Party is a sinister communist cabal, that Michelle Obama is a man, that Biden has opened the borders and is importing millions of immigrants to steal the election, that the deep state is conspiring to do everything we don’t like…
These are the mainstream views of the party as propagated by its leaders - it says nothing of the chemtrails making the frogs gay, hollow earth types.
…and here you are, fantasising about me abusing and weaponising the disabled - maybe even pushing for a little light lobotomy because that allows you to feel morally superior. Personally, I’d recommend stepping out of your fantasy, grounding your comments in reality and being morally superior, but what would my apparently Nazi arse know?
Most conservatives don’t believe in those things, though. That’s all propaganda being fed to them.
I’m not fantasizing about your views regarding the disabled, I’m taking issue with what you literally said and explained why. If you don’t understand ableism, that’s on you.
Propaganda they believe.
No, if you can’t draw the line between me advocating for greater support for a community, and my exploitation of that community, that’s on you, my guy.
Where do you live? What conservatives do you talk to irl? I don’t know ANY conservatives who believe all that.
Texas
If you would like to find more of your kind go to hexbear.net
Sane people stay away
That’s the point.
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You’re right, and I don’t want you to feel like no-one agrees with you.