• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Israel’s budget ran around 125 billion/year, pre-war. If we wanted full control, I think it would cost a little more than what we give.

    No, not a win, I agree on that one.

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      1 day ago

      Not saying all of Israel’s money is coming from the US. I’m saying the main reason Israel still exists is because of the money and arms America sends to them. If it weren’t for that I would seriously question Israel’s ability to survive given how hated they are in the region. This level of support let’s the US exert it’s influence on Israel. My original point was that recent years have shifted the dynamic where the US can no longer control Israel and it feels as if is Israel is playing the US.

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        Having nukes goes a long way to ensuring survival. That said, we definitely have influence, no question. A lot of influence. But even a whole ton of influence is something different from complete obedience.

        For instance, your boss has a lot of influence on you, because they are responsible for your paycheck. However, we would not call it complete obedience, even with your livelihood in their hands. Because of this very basic principle, I would argue the US has never had control over Israel, despite what certain propagandists would claim.

        Hell, they’ve even attacked our navy ships before, decades ago.

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          No arguments on those points from me. What I’m just saying is that the amount of influence America was capable of exerting on Israel has diminished substantially.

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              24 hours ago

              Netanyahu has been in power for a long time. Every other president in the past was able to handle him even though they didn’t really like him. Biden’s lack of control of the situation to me shows his lack of leadership and ability to take charge. Not a good quality for POTUS.

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                23 hours ago

                Netanyahu has been in power for a long time. Every other president in the past was able to handle him even though they didn’t really like him.

                I think Bibi being in imminent danger of prison the second he leaves office may have changed this calculus a bit.

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                  23 hours ago

                  No doubt, it’s still a huge failure on Biden to rein him though.