A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump. Palestinian lives don’t matter to Trump, nor do they really matter to Harris; however in general, Harris will be better for Americans than Trump, so vote for Harris.

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A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump.

Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.

Imagine if Nader didn’t run. Imagine there was no Green Party candidate for US President.

Gore would have probably won, and America would have been the better for it. Probably no Iraq war, maybe not even a 911. As a result Iran probably wouldn’t be as strong, and Putin probably would have less to legitimately oppose about the US, and would himself be seen as less legitimate—indeed Ukraine might still be whole today.

A new Green deal would probably be in full swing.

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Granted, Harris doesn’t really care about Palestinians, and some elements of the Democratic party care even less; but Trump cares even less than Harris, and what he will do to the US will be worse.

So while Israel massacres civilians and steals more land, at least under Harris American women would still more easily get abortions, we will have fewer TGs committing suicide (maybe), and health care will be a little more universal.

Also with the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, the Big 3 will be able to better produce good inexpensive cars (as they’ve been at least somewhat intending these past several decades), and fascism will have less of a hold on the US.

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Therefore: vote for Harris.

If you are a progressive: vote for Harris.

If you are an environmentalist: vote for Harris.

If you are a libertarian: vote for Harris.

If you support voting reforms such as proportional representation, rank balloting, the abolition of the Electoral College, and/or more political diversity: vote for Harris.

If you are nauseated at the idea of voting for Harris: take a barf bag with you while you vote for Harris.

If you are a Palestinian-American who has a relative who was injured, maimed, or even murdered, in Gaza, you should still vote for Harris, because again, Trump doesn’t care about them either, but at least you, as an American citizen, will get a better deal Harris than under Trump.

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(I’m not entirely sure if I agree with all the above, but I find it hard to refute.)

  • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
    23·
    14 hours ago

    are you asking for confirmation?

    some of that sounds correct, some of it is laughably incorrect, none of it seems particularly relevant to the matter at hand.

    are you just voicing a general agreement with my support for Harris?

    • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.worldOP
      32·
      14 hours ago

      I’m taking the anti-third-party sentiments I’ve encountered on Lemmy and reddit and distilling it a bit further.

      Vote for the lesser evil, the ends justify the means, politics is the art of compromise, it’s not how you play the game, winning isn’t the biggest thing (it’s the only thing), laws are like sausages, always be closing, etc …,

        • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.worldOP
          2·
          14 hours ago

          I suppose I’m debating with myself.

          Their arguments, AFAIK, for now at least, aren’t easily refuted.

          The Bush Presidency of 2001 to 2009 was bad, and arguably if Nader wasn’t around, Gore would have won; and no Presidential candidate will stop the genocide, but Trump will be worse for the US.

          Some of my counter arguments are here: https://lemmy.world/post/21081704

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          Perhaps I should create a page on Wikidebates: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Wikidebates

          • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
            21·
            14 hours ago

            i see.

            I think you weren’t making clear question you wanted answered, I thought you were just attacking third party voters.

            people are focusing on third party voters because it’s easy to bully them one way or the other, are not at all as statistically significant as the other problems with the elections.

            bush didn’t win because of third party voters, bush won because his brother asked the secretary of State to stop counting the votes so that his brother would win. she did, the Supreme Court said yeah. counting votes is for losers anyway, and said they could stop camping votes.

            and then W won.

            voter suppression and direct election interference by conservatives are much more of a problem than third-party voters justifiably voting who they want to vote for.

            harris is the best candidate this election, in many different areas.

            you’re looking for reasons why she might not be the best candidate?

            If you have a specific question you want to ask, let me know.

            you sound like you’re not quite sure what you’re looking for, but if you figure it out, I have all day and I’m not as ignorant as everybody dunking on third party Canada to see him the right to vote in this threat seems to be.

            let me know.