Disclaimer since based on my last comment i know the accusation is coming: i voted for claudia already. I think socialists should vote for Claudia if shes available.
I just also think voting is not the ultimate expression of politics and doesnt mean that much. The “its an endorsement” thing is true, but one extra endorsement does not equal one extra dead Palestinian. Thats just magical thinking. (Also, ive tried telling people the endorsement thing because its what changed my mind about lesser evilism, it doesnt work.)
And the idea that every Kamala voter is horrific evil when many are scared, propagandized, gaslit marginalized people doing what they think they need to do to not die is misguided. You guys claim to be the ultimate propaganda understanders but dont seem to understand its power. Are people still responsible for their actions? Sure. Does a vote of all things matter as an action all that much? Lmao fuck no. Its basically pointless.
Like ive actually talked to liberals about their vote. I didnt even have to touch grass to it! Where their coming from is wrong and ive told them that, but ive seen the effect the lesser evilism propaganda has on their mind. they are not coming from a place of evil with their choice Hating, “not forgiving”, or throwing in the pit (as ive seriosly seen suggested) the 10s of millions of people who will vote Kamala in November is simply not practical. You cant hate humanity to that extent and organize. And you definitly cant desire to kill that many people lmao.
Also, most of you are ex liberals. Meaning most of you have endorsed war crimes with a vote. Probably worth keeping in mind.
they’re making the conscious decision that murdering Palestinians is okay if it benefits them personally
they aren’t though, they think there is no way to not endorse it, they have been housebroken, they are pitiable but they are not Nazis
Most of the Germans during WWII and the Holocaust also were not nazis. The nazi party and the SS were only a small fraction of the total population. That didn’t stop the Germans from actively participating in the Holocaust or helping invade/bomb other countries. Hell, neither WWII nor the Holocaust would have been possible without all of Germany being complicit.
The number of people arrested, deported, and killed wasn’t possible with the SS alone. They relied on local police being informed of where people were hiding by neighbors wanting to eliminate Jews, Roma, homosexuals, etc. If the SS went door to door searching every house, there’s no way they could have captured as many people as they did. Those people were handed over to them by ordinary Germans not part of the nazi party.
So no, I don’t buy that excuse. Whitey is gonna whitey and if he is willing to throw Palestinians under the bus, he sure as shit will snitch when the time comes to eliminate the marginalized here at home.
very true, it is ultimately a concession to imperialism on the part of the labor aristocracy. unfortunately there is a statistically high chance you have participated in exactly the same thing, though you could also just be giga-based since your birth or not an Amerikkkan and in either way i envy you
yeeting the second half of this comment because it sucks
I think a younger, more reactionary me would have deserved a yeeting for being reactionary. There was no excuse for those views when there were people the same age who had the opposite views. While I realize that now, it doesn’t absolve my participation.
It’s also materially irrelevant because I can’t change the past, especially past versions of other people. I can only change the conditions of what’s going on right now. Maybe some libs are possible to convert with enough time and understanding. Unfortunately, Palestinians don’t have that time. It’s the same as what was going on in Germany. Maybe there were Germans who could have been reasoned with. It doesn’t matter because the war was necessary to end the Holocaust, the invasion of the USSR, and the occupation of neutral countries.
Oh also I don’t think we need to waste our time converting possible leftists from people still deep in delusional faith with electoralism, I was just condemning the “kill all Kamala voters” type rhetoric but I think I just took it too literally and not as the venting it was
it doesn’t need to absolve your participation for your possibility to stop doing stuff like voting for genocidal lib politicians to be acknowledged. the fact you are posting here is a sign that current clueless babyleftists don’t deserve to be compared to full on Nazis, though of course they are participating in a collective wrong. Like, :im-vegan: and i would be 100% justified if i went on borderline murderous rants at the people around me for being complicit with murder of living things constantly, and in fact many do, but i have a hard time comparing them to Nazi supporters regardless, because Nazi supporters had a huge amount of social context to understand why their decision is wrong, but veganism is still considered “extreme” and/or erased from public consciousness. In other words, people bad but definitely not full-on ghouls in and of themselves.
Good! Nobody’s gonna kill their family for voting for this genocide and nobody is suggesting it.
i already yeeted that shitty argument sorry
I’m glad you did that but it’s definitely telling that everybody who feels the need to tell us we’re wrong for our position has to include imagined declarations that nobody has declared
it’s the imaginary hexbear you’re disagreeing with, not the actual hexbear users
It was an allegory but a bad one, not an actual take I thought I saw
Yeah sorry I don’t buy this shit either.
You’re basically saying “if you hate your genocidal society then why do you participate in it?”
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Libs are just under the incorrect belief that by voting for the lesser evil they are “improving things somewhat”
. Doubly so where in many (though definitely not all) cases, it’s a factual error, not a values one. And I really struggle to blame individuals for that.
Newsflash: The minerals in your electronics were partially or entirely mined by child slavery, why are you willing to throw them under the bus??? Turns out participating in society is required, and so you just act within it in a way you think is best to improve things.
Did you genuinely just do the turbolib “Newsflash” thing? We don’t need Sorkinisms around here. Tho the fascist apologia is definitely worse, that the moral purity of fascists is more important than their holocaust. It’s absolutely not.
I’m very over the childish tendency to condemn colloquialisms as a lib/redditor thing. I’m using words to communicate a point. You understood that point. So they did their job.
Yes, most effectively. Good day.
Exactly