In hindsight, it was the most predictable thing in the world, yet it still somehow caught me by surprise.
No, I don’t support the guy. I don’t even live in the U.S., and I wouldn’t have voted for him if I did. But I do think the average person who identifies as “on the left,” particularly here on Lemmy, doesn’t realize how incredibly toxic the atmosphere becomes for true independents. We’re stuck enduring a firehose of insanity and hatred from both sides.
In my view, one of the main reasons we got Trump in the first place was the identity politics and wokeism on the left. For a while, I thought the pendulum was swinging back toward reason and balance, but now it feels like we’re back where we started. Honestly, I can’t even blame people for voting for him - it’s just a shame that the silent majority has to suffer because of the vocal minority.
Why is it that political discussions seem incapable of being conducted dispassionately? I can’t shake the feeling that this polarization is driving more people to the right, only worsening the issue. Hell, I’m probably going to be labeled a right-winger just for making this post. And then people wonder why the right is gaining popularity. Where else can centrists even go anymore when the left eats its own?
For one thing, I don’t think “many people in this minority are mean to me” is ever a good reason to turn against the entire group. To use the old comparison again, it’s not appropriate to say that you were bullied by black people, so therefore all black people should stay segregated. That excuse will never fly, and the same applies here.
Many trans people are angry at the way they are treated, and rightly so. While they may often lash out inappropriately, that doesn’t mean it’s right to dismiss all of them because of the angry ones.
As for those of us not part of the marginalized groups, most of us simply take a hard line stance on respecting people who can’t help the way they were born. Give people basic human respect for who they are, regardless of who you think they should be. If someone suggests that trans people are predators or perverts just because they want to be treated as the gender they feel, then yes, this person will be dismissed as a bigot.
As for Joe Rogan, he has come out on the wrong side of… Many scientific issues. He’s an idiot (and has admitted it occasionally), but he often forgets that, and takes strong positions that are go against the medical and scientific consensus. He’s not a doctor and he doesn’t have all the facts right about trans physiology, and he’s said some ignorant things in that regard. He is generally hated because he mixes up his ignorance with scientific analysis, whether it’s about trans issues, or about COVID, or anything else.
And I know some news articles have been happy to misrepresent some of the things he said, and that’s bad. Because the people who already don’t like him are more willing to believe out of context quotes. But he already says enough that is terrible at face value, and making things up doesn’t help anyone.
Now you are mixing some things up. “The Left” consists of a large group of people who are not Democrats. Most of the left didn’t particularly want Harris, they just understand the reality of the American two-party system. We are still critical of the Democrats because we want them to represent us more, but we support them because they are the most left viable group we have.
That said, the Democrats have a LOT more to the party and platform than “less bad than Republicans.” Historically, the Democratic administrations usually created a stronger economy for the middle and lower classes, while reducing the national deficit. They have made important strides for climate action. They continue to push for health care improvements. Harris’ campaign included specific issues and plans in her platform.
The trouble is that many people just ignore these things. A lot of Republicans just don’t believe that democratic policies often help them.
And the less politically involved people don’t even bother to read any of these things. They just see the news headlines about identity politics that are pushed by the media. These are the people who generally fall into the trap you are describing. But no amount of us bringing up the real political platform will ever be as memorable as the headlines saying that someone is mad at someone else about something.
As they should.
The reason I focus on the vocal minority is that, if those are the only voices someone hears from, I can’t blame them for feeling like everyone on that side is against them. It’s not an accurate perception, but it’s an understandable one.
I, for one, have to constantly remind myself that the views I see on Lemmy don’t represent the silent majority. Not everyone is able to make that distinction. If someone spends 8 hours a day debating politics on Twitter, there’s no middle ground - only the most extreme views get amplified. Anyone attempting a dispassionate, fact-based, non-partisan discussion gets attacked from both sides.
Abortion is a good example. Somehow, I’m a “blue-haired screaming liberal cuck” for thinking a total abortion ban is an indefensible position, but I’m also a “fascist bigot” for believing there should be a point after which abortion requires a legitimate medical reason, backed by a doctor - or even two.
This should be a reminder to you then: this is not a problem with “the Left” if you get it from the conservatives as well. Why does this somehow push you further right if you have extremists on both ends treating you this way?
Well, I mean, nowadays Lemmy is the only social media platform I spend time on, so naturally, all the pushback I get comes from the left, as right-wingers are practically non-existent here. Back on Reddit, I was getting it from both sides.
My point is that shunning people who are, or are perceived to be, even slightly on the right is a bad tactic. To win elections, we need these people to vote for our side. In my experience, the right is much more welcoming toward “ex-liberals,” whereas I don’t feel the same applies to the left. Take Joe Rogan, for example - he still holds plenty of liberal values but doesn’t get attacked from the right for it.