Everyday I find another reason to smile at her downfall. Settlers applies to POC as much as it does white people. (Some) Black Americans really think genocide isn’t something to withhold a vote over.

This in addition to the “how do I report my neighbor for being an illegal immigrant/ I want to report a lady I know for getting an abortion” posts on reddit really shows the reality of blue MAGA.

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    This is what happens when your entire country is built on the promise that stepping on other people’s heads can make you taller

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    I honestly think most people would highly benefit from reading A Workbook for Arguments: A Complete Course in Critical Thinking

    The amount of cognitive dissonance and logical fallacy among these chains of reasoning and “arguments” (and I am using the word argument very generously here) is astounding.

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    You have convinced me, reddit user LeResist, from now on I will be perfectly selfless by swearing loyalty to the largest ethnic group, the Han Chinese

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    Like how do they not see that argument can and will be applied to them by every other cracker with a pulse, that’s the whole point of solidarity, to do away with zero-sum mentalities like that

    And the reality is America is a country with 331 million people. There’s over 221 million white people in America. It’s pretty selfish to choose black people over us” It’s so easy to weaponize this shit

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      “There are 80 million Germans in our glorious Fatherland. There are only 16 million Jews. It’s actually pretty selfish to choose the Jews over ourselves.”

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      They don’t really believe it, they just say it because it’s convenient. If someone turned it on them like you describe, they’d (correctly) call it racist, because that would then be the convenient thing to say.

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      Because they’re saying that shit, and because they’re redditors, I feel confident in guessing that they’re not involved in any way with anti-racism, because the most basic slogan, the central tenant of civil rights activism in this country was and is that we’re not free until we’re all free. Black antiracists know it and Palestinians know it.

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    Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks delves into this.

    Colonized people can come to identify with the colonizer as a way to cope with colonization. This hollows them out inside and makes them turn that racism inward onto themselves, but they can be rewarded with an elevated social status by the colonizer.

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    Getting some seriously bad vibes from this whole thing. It’s like they’ve found some way to inoculate people against even the barest sort of solidarity- I fear the coalition politics that won even the handful of concessions we got like obergefell might be dead. Granted, that’s exactly what i thought last time this happened too.

    Someone’s trying to drive wedges, and it’s working. Divide and conquer by playing up (or creating) animus against one another. Clear as day yet people are walking right into it. What changed?

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      Worsening material conditions + manufactured culture of individuality prime people to turn against each other?

      I don’t have a lot of spoons today so no long diatribes from me. I’m just wondering what it was about the proletariat in Russia and China that made them easier to organize vs. Elsewhere.

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        Yeah, that was the culmination of over a century’s work and various precursor rebellions by various players. We don’t have that kind of momentum, and at this point i’m starting to suspect americans are useless on a psychological level (myself included) so i’m not sure anyone could get it together enough to make anything effective happen.

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          There’s a thin line between precarity and comfort here. We all have something to lose if we commit fully to a revolutionary project.

          Maybe that’s the difference? Life sucks but there’s always YouTube and cheap (ish) treats

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        Fascists have for a while now been appropriating leftist talking points and aesthetics, which at best muddies the water, and at worst gives fascists outright control.

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        I mean those countries did have civil wars, and reactionary proletarians fought in defense of capital. I think the difference is not necessarily that the bonds of solidarity were stronger (at least not before the period of pitched struggle), but rather that those workers who did feel class solidarity also felt they had less to lose and more to gain in overthrowing capitalism.

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        man what the hell drake i thought you were better than this, i’ll never be able to listen to hotline bling the same way again

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          Their continued refusal to properly deal with their cognitive dissonance will always prevent the majority of liberals from realising how outrageously hypocritical they are

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            That’s why I think Democrats won’t be elected again. They won’t learn from this. They’ll just move to the right, alienate even more voters, and lose to Republicans.

            I think ~25% of the country voted? Just based off of the votes between all candidates. Biden pulled in ~10 million more votes. There’s just going to be less turn out each time.

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    The revisionism on January 6th is still wild to see,

    January 6th didn’t succeed because it was done by a bunch of losers without a single coherent idea on why they were doing it and what to do after doing it,

    I believe a majority of the rioters were just moved by the energy of the mob around them and they weren’t about to ‘end democracy’ or whatever, it’s pretty tiring seeing it compared to the Beer Hall putsch

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    I just learned these screenshots came from BlackPeopleTwitter

    In which case every single comment was made by a white person and 95% of the upvotes were from white people, folks don’t remember but back in 2018-19 BPT was outed as one of the most astroturfed and demographically deceptive subs on the website, it is without a doubt the largest digital blackface forum on the internet, aside from maybe r/hiphopheads

    The leaked polls back in 2019 revealed the sub is 90% white

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    One of the funniest things to me is that my position towards libs in real life was:

    I am an immigrant, who came here via asylum. I will not vote for anyone who prevents people from seeking asylum. The Biden administration has effectively destroyed asylum in the US, that is illegal under international law. Kamala Harris is campaigning on the Biden border policy.

    Nobody could actually fucking answer to that. It was glorious to watch the cogs turn, because I knew in the back of their mind was the racist thought of throwing me out of the country because I’m “disloyal” or “ungreatful”. They just could not say that out loud in polite company.

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      Wish I coulda conversed with you. I think this type of logic and break down is what a lot of people need. Not so much cause of arrogance or anything of the sort. But more so cause of the cognitive dissonance in our society.

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    “You don’t get it, I have to support or be tacitly complicit in genocide, otherwise I’ll be genocided” is a truly stellar argument. There’s even a poem about it:

    First they came for the communists, and I didn’t say anything because I voted strategically for Hitler
    Then nothing happened and that was that.

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    How dare those ideological leftists put the genocide of Palestinians over the emancipatory policy of protecting black men’s crypto investments?

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    If it isn’t gender wars calling black men bullet bags or black women getting compared to vile things, or diaspora wars, its this bullshit. Seems like the only unity is found in shitting on other groups. Social media is a fucking mistake