Trying to claim the term “Web3” is a futile battle. It is already widely understood to mean crypto and blockchain. If I see a job posting that says the company is built on Web3, I know immediately that the job is built on scams and grifts without having to ask further questions. Web3 as a term is ruined already.
For this to work it must be a different term than Web3. Maybe “Web 3.0” is different enough?
Note that not all Web 3 v2 final (1) features are required to be labeled Web 3 v2 final (1). Please consult vendor documentation to determine which features are supported on their device.
I think it’s useful terminology, but only very generally and in hindsight. Web 1 is a pretty clear era in the 90s and early 2000s, characterized by simple static blogs and personal websites, and email. Everyone knew this would be big, but nobody figured out how, that was the dotcom bubble. Web 2 began with the rise of big tech companies like Google and Facebook in the late 2000s, it has been characterized by social media apps, centralized platforms hosting user created content, funded by targeted advertising and data mining. Web apps became possible and smartphones took over. Every product became a subscription service.
I think we’re at the start of web 3, but it’s hard to say what that is yet. The big tech companies are crumbling and there’s increasing unrest at the old system of web 2. Fed up users are turning to platforms like this. There’s a lot of demand for crypto nonsense like NFTs. AI is changing the way we do everything.
I hope that web 3 is the age of decentralization because that would be awesome, but it’s impossible to predict the future.
Abusing terminology, especially by marketers, is frustrating and cringe. But don’t underestimate the value in having a simple, shared term to describe a paradigm many things fit into.
Blockchain and crypto are both decentralized, which is exactly what Web3 is defined as. Just because they came before federated websites doesn’t mean the definition is exclusive to them. I would call “Web3” ruined, rather I would say that ActivityPub is the first great implementation of it.
PS: The distinction between Web 3 and Web 3.0 is giving me some real USB 3.2 Gen 1 vibes.
I mean… We are getting to a point where die off of a good chunk of the World-Wide Web due to bad actors and drying-up ad revenue isn’t implausible. The Web is only one part of the Internet.
I mean lemmy.world does actually kinda suck. They block piracy communities, don’t know a shit about cyber security and can’t keep their servers online for more than a day before they go down. The only reason why people use lemmy.world is because they want to avoid lemmy.ml.
There’s several reason i dont use my lemmy.world login much at all anymore. But when I was there, it was because it was supposed to be “the right instance for me” according to the info I had access to. I knew nothing about all this lemmy/federated stuff (my only federation experience was with star trek… and federated architectural 3d modelling coordination programs like Revit/BIM360). So i joined the “right instance for me” and guess what? it kinda sucked. but it was frustrating. I just wanted things to work, but there was drama over hexbear and others, and half the time the servers were being ddos’d. So i jumped ship to lemmy.zip and discuss.online as a backup. Could just have easily been me this user was insulting, a few days ago. Insulting me would not have pushed me closer to switching instances, it would have just convinced me further that this place is just as, if not more toxic than reddit. I didn’t vote to de-federate hexbear, or any of the other recent de-federations related to piracy (insert legit argument about server hosted content vs. US law), and I was still trying to get my bearings.
Just because lemmy.world does “kinda suck” doesn’t mean we should berate their users, thats antithetic to the entire idea of federated communities interconnecting this way.
If Reddit can host a piracy community, why can’t lemmy.world do it? I made an account the day lemmy.world defederated with that community. After I noticed that I immediately deleted my account and switched to sh.itjust.works and lemm.ee is there as a backup. But you’re right, we shouldn’t hate on innocent lemmy.world users who don’t know any better. It’s not their fault that the admins are such morons.
reddit.com is Reddit.Inc. with investors and lawyers and content curators and admins galore etc.
Lemmy.world is idk some guy named ruud in a basement with servers or something idk. The point is they aren’t equivalent resource pools to protect them from legal issues.
Right, but AFAIK he hasn’t even received any legal complaints. He could have done nothing, and only defederate when some shitty media company complains.
I can’t blame him for wanting to avoid legal issues before it gets to the point he is receiving notices, C&Ds and law suits. That can get very expensive, very fast.
It’s not like it’s hard to make an account on another instance to look at piracy related content.
Trying to claim the term “Web3” is a futile battle. It is already widely understood to mean crypto and blockchain. If I see a job posting that says the company is built on Web3, I know immediately that the job is built on scams and grifts without having to ask further questions. Web3 as a term is ruined already.
For this to work it must be a different term than Web3. Maybe “Web 3.0” is different enough?
Time for Web4
I suggest forking Web3 into at least three competing things
as long as they all compete to be the standard, and aren’t going to communicate with each other well, I’m in!
Can Web3-D be unnecessary VR integration?
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Just do what USB does and call it “Web 3 v2”
Web 3 v2 final (1)
Note that not all Web 3 v2 final (1) features are required to be labeled Web 3 v2 final (1). Please consult vendor documentation to determine which features are supported on their device.
Web 3 v2 final (1)++ Remastered Advanced with Knuckles Pro Edition
Is it the Japanese Director’s Cut?
Web69
also Web 3.0 was already a thing (semantic web), cryptobros just stole the term.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web
Which is pretty much what activitypub is a part of.
“Web x” is dumb marketing speak. It exists because people who use the phrase can’t intelligently talk about the actual underlying technology.
I think it’s useful terminology, but only very generally and in hindsight. Web 1 is a pretty clear era in the 90s and early 2000s, characterized by simple static blogs and personal websites, and email. Everyone knew this would be big, but nobody figured out how, that was the dotcom bubble. Web 2 began with the rise of big tech companies like Google and Facebook in the late 2000s, it has been characterized by social media apps, centralized platforms hosting user created content, funded by targeted advertising and data mining. Web apps became possible and smartphones took over. Every product became a subscription service.
I think we’re at the start of web 3, but it’s hard to say what that is yet. The big tech companies are crumbling and there’s increasing unrest at the old system of web 2. Fed up users are turning to platforms like this. There’s a lot of demand for crypto nonsense like NFTs. AI is changing the way we do everything.
I hope that web 3 is the age of decentralization because that would be awesome, but it’s impossible to predict the future.
Abusing terminology, especially by marketers, is frustrating and cringe. But don’t underestimate the value in having a simple, shared term to describe a paradigm many things fit into.
Or perhaps Web 3.1. But seriously, I would call it the Federated Web.
The FedWeb
The Feb
Can’t quite put my finger on it but something about this doesn’t sit right with me
Feds Web
Web 3.1 for Workgroups?
It’s not a bad idea but federated is the term they’re using to tell everybody not to get off reddit because it’s too confusing.
I think whatever name you give it they’re going to try to sell it as being too confusing.
You could call it distributed web but they’ll taint that as soon as you stick it in front of them
Blockchain and crypto are both decentralized, which is exactly what Web3 is defined as. Just because they came before federated websites doesn’t mean the definition is exclusive to them. I would call “Web3” ruined, rather I would say that ActivityPub is the first great implementation of it.
PS: The distinction between Web 3 and Web 3.0 is giving me some real USB 3.2 Gen 1 vibes.
Web3 usually means it’s decentralized. So yes, in most cases it’s cryptocurrencies
But most cryptocurrencies aren’t decentralized!
What? That’s the whole point of crypto currencies.
Not the scams, which are most cryptocurrencies.
Web 3.0 was the semantic web.
How about Fweb or Feb?
Web Cubed
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I mean… We are getting to a point where die off of a good chunk of the World-Wide Web due to bad actors and drying-up ad revenue isn’t implausible. The Web is only one part of the Internet.
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Hey, it has so many uses. I can’t name a good one that isn’t actively being made a scam, but so many uses. Wave of the future. Buy crypto, trust me.
“Is not about the technology, it’s about the money.”
Dumbass lemmy.world hot takes
Bro how you going to insult a whole instance
Edit: oh I see why, you’re butt hurt about getting defederated.
They’re not defederated, only specific communities are blacklisted from syncing on lemmy.world.
If they were, they wouldn’t be able to post in any lemmy.world communities or even comment on any posts of lemmy.world.
All very good points, I should probably finish my coffee
I mean lemmy.world does actually kinda suck. They block piracy communities, don’t know a shit about cyber security and can’t keep their servers online for more than a day before they go down. The only reason why people use lemmy.world is because they want to avoid lemmy.ml.
There’s several reason i dont use my lemmy.world login much at all anymore. But when I was there, it was because it was supposed to be “the right instance for me” according to the info I had access to. I knew nothing about all this lemmy/federated stuff (my only federation experience was with star trek… and federated architectural 3d modelling coordination programs like Revit/BIM360). So i joined the “right instance for me” and guess what? it kinda sucked. but it was frustrating. I just wanted things to work, but there was drama over hexbear and others, and half the time the servers were being ddos’d. So i jumped ship to lemmy.zip and discuss.online as a backup. Could just have easily been me this user was insulting, a few days ago. Insulting me would not have pushed me closer to switching instances, it would have just convinced me further that this place is just as, if not more toxic than reddit. I didn’t vote to de-federate hexbear, or any of the other recent de-federations related to piracy (insert legit argument about server hosted content vs. US law), and I was still trying to get my bearings.
Just because lemmy.world does “kinda suck” doesn’t mean we should berate their users, thats antithetic to the entire idea of federated communities interconnecting this way.
If Reddit can host a piracy community, why can’t lemmy.world do it? I made an account the day lemmy.world defederated with that community. After I noticed that I immediately deleted my account and switched to sh.itjust.works and lemm.ee is there as a backup. But you’re right, we shouldn’t hate on innocent lemmy.world users who don’t know any better. It’s not their fault that the admins are such morons.
reddit.com is Reddit.Inc. with investors and lawyers and content curators and admins galore etc.
Lemmy.world is idk some guy named ruud in a basement with servers or something idk. The point is they aren’t equivalent resource pools to protect them from legal issues.
Right, but AFAIK he hasn’t even received any legal complaints. He could have done nothing, and only defederate when some shitty media company complains.
I can’t blame him for wanting to avoid legal issues before it gets to the point he is receiving notices, C&Ds and law suits. That can get very expensive, very fast.
It’s not like it’s hard to make an account on another instance to look at piracy related content.
Like I said, part of the reasons I chose to not choose it as my home instance. I get it.
Lemmy.world is the normie us-centric lemmy server
…and?
Normie land is reddit. If you can’t think critically then best leave
How about you shut the fuck up, Edge Lord, And leave other people to do their own thing? Gatekeeping Lemmy is not critically thinking.
Web3 is a game changer. Try to escape the bubble of info you’re consuming on these pro imperialist instances
That has absolutely nothing to do with somebody gatekeeping lemmy, are you a fucking bot?