This holiday season, shut the fuck up about how much you hate pumpkin spice lol

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    3 years ago

    It’s not just limited to food. People get very mad whenever women (especially teenage girls) enjoy something or “invade” a male dominated hobby.

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      Western society absolutely haaaates teenage girls. The energy that almost every piece of media gives teenage girls by default is the same energy that SNL gives to Donald Trump. Just a thing veneer of comedy barely masking utter contempt

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    Always did love the industry attempts to make certain foods manly

    Like when Taco Bell did the Loaded Taco Salad (it’s got more meat to keep you from being gay!) or when they had all those 10 calorie sodas (men need calories to keep from going gay!) or my personal favorite, when Burger King tried to say that the Whopper was big because Real Men have big hands and need a big burger for big eating

    I mean, clearly it didn’t work that well because I’m queer as a three-dollar bill and have dainty princess hands

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    A couple women: [enjoying thing]

    Capital: Hey ladies! [thing] amirite? You know what would be great? What if we made everything into [thing]! Give us your money for more [thing] merch, flavors, spin-offs, NFTs, and we’ll even sell it to you in pink! Cool right? Pink!

    Men: ew, fuck [thing]

    Capital: why would women ruin [thing] like that???

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    When men buy into food trends, they bring much-needed attention and success to what they’re consuming. Some sommeliers rolled their eyes after Sideways made male wine drinkers everywhere drop their Merlots for Pinot Noirs, but nobody was accusing Pinot Noir of overstaying its welcome.

    And when men get into women’s trends, they elevate and legitimize them—or even create an entirely new market. Male rosé drinkers have transformed it from a wine “seen by serious wine drinkers as cloying, mass-produced swill, an object of revulsion and gendered disdain,” as GQ wrote, into something men are happy to be seen drinking.

    Yogurt, a neutral food if ever there were one, went from being feminized to being marketed as protein-rich workout fuel for men. And of course men don’t diet—they “biohack”.

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      Yogurt, a neutral food if ever there were one, went from being feminized to being marketed as protein-rich workout fuel for men. And of course men don’t diet—they “biohack”.

      I’m glad I’ve never gone deep enough into the fitness rabbit hole to ever hear the term “biohack”:cringe:

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        It’s not a fitness term, it’s a Silicon Valley term. It’s a weird mix of recognizing that they spend too much time indoors and need vitamins, and trying to replace eight hours of sleep with sixty micronaps per day. It’s all about “hacking” the body’s natural processes to increase productivity. Some turned microdosing from a fun activity to a “creativity-booster” so they can :monke-beepboop: better code.

        They do this because cocaine is not in vogue in Silicon Valley and because Silicon Valley loves to try to reinvent shit that we knew a thousand years ago.

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    Im so happy I’m a communist. Lib and chud men have to spend so much energy getting mad at dumb shit and constantly being insecure about their masculinity. Seems exhausting

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        Nuance moment here: I think that the ideas behind phrases like “all men are trash” and similar that are based in sort of ironic misandry often result in spaces being (usually unintentionally) hostile towards transmasc people, which is something I think we’d all like to avoid if possible.

        I am simply a random intersex nonbinary woman so it’s not my place to speak on that in detail, but it’s something I’m becoming more and more aware of in online spaces.

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          I am going to go full gender understander here. Trans men are men and as such get the good with the bad. Enjoy the lifelong masculine urge to be a dumbass like the rest of us. Is it unintentionally hostile to our comrades to treat them as full members of our broken male species? As a cis man I am not offended by it. Should not it be the same for all men? I get it would be slightly more comfortable to deny them that flavor of manhood but it feels patronizing. Like, they have to watch an old episode of “The man show” and feel despair same as I do.

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            E: I just wanna clarify that I’m not trying to call you out or criticise you, I just think that it’s a place to learn and grow that people might benefit from.


            I mean, this sort of concept is basically just repackaged radfem rhetoric. The idea that men are inherently bad or flawed is basically just gender essentialism, no matter how trans-inclusive you make it. People are not inherently flawed, the flaws in question are based in culture and capitalism, not inherent to men.

            The point isn’t to shield or protect just trans men and other transmasc people from criticism of men, but to refocus the criticism away from “all men are trash” towards the actual problem, “capitalism and western culture pressure men to behave in toxic ways”. It’s not masculinity that is the problem, it is the cultural perception of what masculinity is supposed to be.

            You can look at and analyze that culture through the lens of it being bad, but that is not in any way a condemnation of you or other men in some inherent way.

            The following is based on a couple of conversations I’ve had with others, not personal experience, so other people’s mileage and experiences may vary and I’m not even passing this on firsthand: the reason that concepts like “men are trash” are particularly harmful towards transmasc people is because it implies that those flaws are an essential and necessary component of masculinity and a lot of transmasc people did not and do not participate in that particular toxic masculine culture, and essentialising it results in them being othered, saying that either they are flawed in this way or they’re not truly male.

            • FidelCashflow [he/him]@hexbear.net
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              Nah, if I am being trash let me know. I’d rather not be trash if I can help it. I do have an instinct to it.

              Maybe I am conflating some things. I have known men in life to go through a phase where they wanted to “be a real man” and whatever came next was always bad. So maybe I am projecting that onto a situation to which it doesn’t apply.

              I know personally I have a hard time sythizing the ideas of gender abolition and that gender identity is very important to some people. I know that perhaps abnormally so I never felt my gender identity was important so this could just be a masculine lack of empathy on my part.

              • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                I think this is kind of a you problem, to put it bluntly.

                People are not inherently toxic because of their gender, and the mentality that they are is actual radfem SCUM (Society for Cutting Up Men) shit, and it serves to invalidate those that don’t fit the mold of toxicity. I think you probably are projecting something that isn’t exactly relevant, it’s not about trying to fit into toxic masculinity, it’s about not invalidating people because their experiences in life and understanding of masculinity is not inexorably tied to deliberately and intentionally performing the most toxic forms of masculinity imaginable.

                Just because your identity is not something you consider deeply or regularly does not mean it is not important to you, and doesn’t mean it’s not important to others. It’s important to almost everyone, very few people simply do not have any strong identity. Most cis people just don’t think about their identity because they don’t have to: they’ve spent every moment of their lives having that identity supported and affirmed. That doesn’t mean it’s not important to you, it just means you’ve never been in a situation where it has been something you need to consider. A great example is that Amanda Bynes experienced gender dysphoria during the shooting of She’s The Man. It’s not something you think about unless you’re in a situation where, holy shit, you cannot ignore it.