https://defed.xyz No real surprises, but the list pales compared to Lemmygrad’s still, they have 3x as many defeds.
Lmao its good to see the worst instances leave.
Does anyone else find it really, really funny that the only nationality instance to defed from us so far is Canada? I mean, I get why, but I honestly expected the UK one to leave us first.
The Canadian instance is landlord cental apparently
Which is honestly really surprising to me, given the sorry state of housing in Canada.
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It seems like all Canadian online forums/subreddits/whatever are like 90% people who are landlords and/or landlord sympathizers.
It’s really fucking weird when you consider what percentage of the actual population are landlords (especially among the main internet using demographics)
I’m not really surprised, sadly. A lot of their userbase is from /r/onguardforthee, which is small-L and capital-L liberal central. Their only real beef with Reddit is that the Reddit admins are making Reddit increasingly uncivil. They have no ideological problem with mainstream Reddit thought, especially when it comes to their kneejerk defence of capitalism.
That and the large amounts of err, “Ukrainian Patriots” having an influence in Canada. When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things. And her uncle also was a big proponent of the double genocide republishing said nazi propaganda as ‘research’.
Surprised they lasted as long as they did before defederating given that.
Not to dox myself but in my area of Canada seeing Ukrainian flags already was on par with Canadian ones before the war and since its started they probably outnumber them 4 to 1.
Not that I care about the lack of Canadian flags but it is pretty weird when you think about it. Like it’s not like I expect a diaspora to not display any national symbols but this particular diaspora from my experience is largely like 3+ generations in Canada, so youd think lots of the connection is lost.
IIRC the diaspora post-WWII was (mostly) the nazi-adjacent ultranationalists so it makes sense that they’d be more tied to Ukraine.
I’m aware of that (and that definitely fuels the majority of the politics of this diaspora) there is a large number that came over pre-USSR times as it was essentially advertised to them to come over and ‘settle the west’.
Edit: What I think I mean to say is that a lot of ‘Ukrainian Identity’ in Canada comes from being descendants of those that arrived in the ‘first-wave’ section from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Canadians. Which is kind of interesting because for lots of these people their last connection to the actual land of Ukraine was from over a century ago now.
Huh. Could be the same thing we have in the US with
americans? Where they pretend to be overly italian despite having never been, for instance. Something to do with not fully integrating upon their initial immigration and staying with their same cultural group for quite some time, maybe.I think that is a good explanation. Especially since Canada, more so than maybe anywhere else, seems to have like no national identity so It can be easy to hold on to other aspects.
I guess as a personal example I am like only a quarter Ukrainian by blood but it was by far the culture that was emphasized to me growing up, and in my case some of my settler ancestors are from well before Canada became a thing (my grandmother is trying to investigate whether her ancestry here dates back to the very first boat of Europeans on the continent). So if anyone should have a ‘Canadian’ identity it should be me but there is nothing there at all lol.
I knew about her grandfather (whose wikipedia page is incredibly whitewashed) but I didn’t know about her uncle. Not a surprise of course.
When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things.
For anyone who might be wondering, it definitely doesn’t end with her grandfather. She has denied that her grandfather was a Nazi and said claims that he was are Russian disinformation (lol). This isn’t even a her being stubborn and refusing to see the facts thing, because it has been proven that she has known this to be true going back at the very least back to the 90s.
Also uh holding this banner
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Isn’t shitjustworks also Canadian?
yes but one of their admins said nice things about us!
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2367564
"Also, FWIW I think Hexbear is an integral pillar of Lemmy and defederating from them would be a mistake, especially seeing as lemmy.world has already done so. I believe that it’s critical for other large instances to maintain federation with Hexbear and work through these disagreements.
Any large instance is guaranteed to have trolls, fools, and malicious actors. As long as the admins of the instances can come to an understanding and work together, conflicts between individual users can be dealt with. Defederation is a last resort for extreme cases and it’s rather worrying how frequently it has been discussed all across Lemmy in the past two months."
Wrong link, but surprisingly useful, I’ll have to pass it on.
Amazing comment, especially about defederation being the last resort.
Edit: jerboa and infinity are just being broken. I got some DIY HRT thread, saved it, but jerboa decided to not actually save it. Opened up the link in a browser and it’s showing the correct thread.
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Germany is smug lib central
The weak should fear the strong
Not really the strong should unite with the weak but it doesnt work for this joke
The more I learn about nature the more I realize that concepts like ‘strong’ and ‘weak’ are truly subjective to the environment.
When today’s strong becomes tomorrow’s weak, today’s weak will be tomorrow’s strong, and protect yesterday’s strong, and vice versa. This is the best tool of a social species.
Wow that was a bad way of explaining it but I hope that made sense
Lib LGBT is the community that probably does the whole “LGBT is western decadence” stuff in reverse. If you’re gay and live in the third world, you don’t matter, unless you can be used as tool to make fun of the “backwards savages” in the third world that don’t give LGBT people rights. Despite my country legalising LGBT rights a decade before any of these western countries
Western consumerism has driven ever more individual identity and the fetishization of said identity. It’s no surprise that many are incapable of universalism, intersectionality, and larger class or social analysis.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they also do the whole ‘noble savage’ nonsense but concentrated entirely into just two-spirit people specifically
No real surprises, but the list pales compared to Lemmygrad’s still, they have 3x as many defeds.
A lot of that is because they use a block list while we use an allow list, so a lot of instances haven’t defederated with us bc we haven’t federated with them in the first place.
Do you know how you decide which instances are federated with?
Users can nominate them. If it’s controversial, it goes up for discussion
Oh cool, thanks for your input comrade
I think thats still a bit undecided. Thought we trust our admins judgement and they do at least ask us first.
“Admins you can trust”, a concept of something like “politicians you can trust”. A concept completely and utterly inconcievable for a westerner.
I love we have admins who we can trust.
the blahaj defed thread being unanimously in support of the admin decision must have been funny to observe from a lib perspective. like why aren’t these commies arguing with their leaders, how can they possibly all agree??
Obviously they’re all brainwashed bots
The posters of Hexbear live in constant fear of the iron fist of the authoritarian mods. Anyone who dares speak up against their brutal tyranny is server to the gulag along with their entire family for seven generations.
Generally, any instance under 200 users gets added if nominated. After an investigation shows that they have an active community and aren’t a hot-bed of reactionary takes.
sh.itjust.works is larger and after nominated we put it up for a hexbear community vote as they have two reactionary communities, meanwhileongrad and noncredibledefense. At the conlcusion of that vote it was in favor of not federating at this time. At some point in the future we will probably ask again.
I’m new from blahaj lemmy, wanted to ask is there usually any community discussion/voting prior to defederation?
we use an allow-list and the only communities we have blocked are exploding-heads and burggit.
Any instance that was on our allow-list that blocked us was removed.
In this post the decision to federate with blahaj was discussed: https://hexbear.net/post/352119 and while a formal vote was not called on it was clear that majority were not happy with the situation.
In addition there was an earlier post https://hexbear.net/post/277508 where federating at all was voted upon.
There is a post to nominate an instance for removal here: https://hexbear.net/post/277518
as well as one to nominate one to add: https://hexbear.net/post/277506
Team fuck lemmy.world
USA propaganda flooding makes me want to block the 20k people that keep spewing hateful bullshit.
Nationalists gonna nationalist
As a former Lemmur/Liftoff user: This is why I am now using Connect for lemmy app… It has “blocking” (hiding) of instances. The whole reddification and US centered brainwashing from lemny.“world” just got too invasive.
more like lemmy.theinternationalcommunity am I right folks
The top 2 posts on their world news right now are complete propoganda.
Kyiv Post and Euiromaidanpress sure sound like impartial sources that do not have any interest in supporting one side of the war to the point where outright lying becomes acceptable, surely.
American Puppet Mouthpiece Post and Murderous Coup Press say what?
Surely the liberals will be here to screech about bias any time now!
😎
We are forever cursed to be the real libs
I am in awe of your power
there must be a way to learn this incredible power.
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If no one else got me, I know the wonderful folks at lemmygrad got me. Can I get a
?
I have it on good authority that we LOVE our trans comrades, don’t we folks
. Yeah, we do. Some of the best trans in the world. You know I used to be a lib, look how I transitioned to a big. Beautiful. Communist. That’s right folks. The dirty rotten bourgeoisie have had their cake and ate it too for too long. Im not saying that they’re disgusting horrible, transphobic monsters. Cause that would be uncivil. That’s why I’m not saying that I hold trans shit in higher regard that a billionaire. All I’m saying is that our trans comrades’ rights are human rights
give it time. lemmygrad had been federated for much longer
Is “who can get more defederated” the struggle session that will destroy the hexbear-lemmygrad alliance?
The new Sino-Soviet split
screaming at each other about who are the real revisionists
Competing on defederations
Mirroring our defederations
And they were federated when the reddit exodus happened, so thousands of people landed and saw THE TANKIE INSTANCE with russian and chinese characteristics and freaked out.
>lib.lgbt defederated from hexbear
>lib.lgbt
>lib
Checks out
Slash to go greentext style, instead of quoting
> like this
The ‘\’ escape character seems to work for ‘>’
It’s kind of cool to see federation working as intended. I don’t think you’re going to miss thosw instances anyway lol.
the trash is taking itself out
Of all of those, I’m only disappointed by pawb.social and blahaj.lemmy.
LGBT+ instances defederating eachother weakens our voice and ability to support eachother on the fediverse.
has a grip on so many people at blahaj, it just wasn’t meant to be.Prioritising ableists, chasers, and pædos over trans solidarity is wild.
They have brainworms. These people think they’re doing solidarity while they’re actually carving out fiefdoms, they think NATO is a defensive alliance (except for that one time) and by supporting it that means supporting peace, they think that they aren’t anti-communist because they support socialism and it’s actually "auth"coms who are anti-communist so opposing them/banning them counts as defending communism…
It’s peak liberalism.
I’m hoping that once blocking instances is better implemented it’ll cause people to chill on defederation policy and we can give it another shot. Though I feel like there’s a rumor mill working against us (always has been tbh) so idk.
Agreed. Also, I’m especially disheartening by the defederation by pawb.social because I have a lot of respect for Furries as a whole. They’ve done a phenomenal job of formulating their own online, social and media infrastructure, in ways that I think the left as a whole could really learn from.
Their reasoning is absolutely hilarious too, screenshots of a joke post posting a copypasta and a post teaching a user how to use emojis.
Lib.lgbt , beehaw ? Whaa why ?
Beehaw pre-emptively defederated us before we even federated.
I’d what’s up with lib.lgbt but I think “lib” is probably the operative word.
Lib.lgbt just looks upto behaaw , just checked their desc !
Is it because beehaw is a khive instance
They say that defederating from hexbear was because CA and world did
Similarly to lemmy.ca and lemmy.world, we are also unfederated from hexbear.
They defederated 20 minutes after lemmy.ca did.
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Because we’re mean scary tankies and we might be mean to them and make them feel bad about being horrible horrible shit libs
I can at least understand why Beehaw did. They defederated from lemmy.world at the beginning because they take moderation pretty seriously and couldn’t keep up with the sheer size of Lemmy.world. Hexbear is simply too active within their fediverse to keep up with all the shit that comes along with Hexbear. Even if it isn’t users from here being a bit spammy (I’ll be honest, it sometimes is though, it was the same when Chapo was on Reddit) the responses to Hexbear users just have a lot more vitriol than is worth introducing into a space like Beehaw.
Beehaw is very cool about applying for alt accounts as long as you haven’t been banned and that’s one thing good about the fediverse. You are allowed to go over there, but you have to follow their rules. They don’t really fuck with instances with open sign up because of how seriously they take moderation there, so honestly dropping Hexbear pre-emptively is fine. They’re pretty consistent with how they federate and defederate around their ability to moderate everything.
Idk, I think with federation we have to understand that Hexbear comes with a huge open sign up userbase with controversial opinions. And particularly active commenters compared to the rest of the fediverse. There are some instances we simply are not compatible with.
Beehaw are snakes and nothing they say should be trusted, I remember them trying to get people to leave lemmy.ml for their instance with the sole argument being they don’t federate with lemmygrad back in the day when there were like 5 instances. Their main recruitment tactic was to talk about lemmygrad lol. One argument they used to defederate from lemmygrad back then was that we were apparently so big, we filled up their disk space when they opened federation. And then they found out it was actually a bug and log files didn’t get deleted. Took them a few days to actually go into the FTP and look at it lol (and back then lemmy.ml was as big as us anyway). We received neither an apology or an offer to refederate.
Now they make a ton of donation money and can get additional admins and even community mods. On lemmygrad we have no problem being federated with lib instances like world or ee and we don’t make a single cent in donation to host the website or work on it.
They’re just typical anti-communists.
beehaw was so scared of us they defederated weeks before we enabled federation. iirc it was even before we got on lemmy proper. we are the spectre haunting lemmy.
beehaw
I don’t blame an instance “Aspiring to be(e) a safe, friendly and diverse place” from blocking pig balls, screaming and dunking.
I’m really glad programming.dev didn’t defederate. I first discovered lemmygrad and then hexbear through that instance. Since Stalin can suck it, here I am.
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I mean, young Stalin was pretty damn good looking…
But yeah, still trying to break that habit.
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Thanks, glad to be here
Glad to have you :rat-salute-2:
If you are looking for a good leftist take on Stalin that includes a whole chapter criticizing the USSR (but not from a U.S. propaganda angle), might I recommend Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti?
Tons of free PDFs if you google it. Very readable, pretty short, and you can get a lot of the material from his lectures on YouTube if you’re pressed for time.Thanks, and thanks for the recommendation, I’ll check it out.
My main issue with him is due to the Tito-Stalin split. Non-aligned > USSR
Mmm I can see it. Yeah, that’s the type of criticism from the left stuff that makes sense.
Btw, the Drug of part of my nick is the Yugoslavian version of comrade. Drug/Drugarica means male/female friend.
And to return a book recommendation, “counterrevolution and revolt” has some great points against using Marx and Soviet literature to educate new revolutionaries.
Oooh who’s the author?
Herbert Marcuse, here’s the wiki link
I think on the other hand you really have to consider the fact that if there was no soviet union then the capitalist powers would have torn Yugoslavia apart. It took a major world power being communist to occupy all the west’s attention
Parenti’s analysis of Stalin in Blackshirts and Reds is the weakest part of an otherwise excellent book. I can’t really fault him as at the time of writing, the Soviet archives had not yet been analyzed in their entirety. For a better analysis that focuses specifically on Stalin, read Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend.
I’ve heard that mentioned a few times – definitely on the list.
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Stalin is sad now, don’t hurt my baby
He hurt my Yugoslavia, made it take aid from dirty capitalist pig, called Tito a fake communist and tried to get him killed. He should be sad
yeah, the tito stalin split was not good, but he is very sorry
he absolutely isn’t but sure.
I think the main thing to bear in mind about Yugoslavia is that whatever issues Yugoslavia had with the soviet union being in the soviet sphere of influence also protected them from the NATO block. After the soviet union fell apart the Germans, Americans, and British all started egging on different ethnic groups to give them resourses and kill each other for those resources and look how that turned out.
Note: these are just my thoughts on the matter. I was born in Yugoslavia, but the only thing I experienced were American bombs. My views were formed by research and talking with people from different countries who lived through most of it.
The fall of USSR was definitely a factor, but I don’t think it’s nearly as important as you’re making it out to be. Also, Stalin was the reason why Yugoslavia’s planned economy was fucked and why it had to take western money to survive. Don’t get me wrong, the western influences were definitely a factor, but there was a lot more going at the time.
The whole federation was held together by a cult of personality, nearly nothing was done to resolve internal issues and nationalism, and there wasn’t a sensible plan on what to do after Tito. That gave western agencies a route to sow dissent.
Hey, that’s where I’m visiting from!
I suggest making an alt at least. The way federation is going for hexbear, it’s the first instance I’ve used where it makes sense to browse by all instead of local.
Yeah I’ll get a local account just in case they chicken out of federating with your instance like the rest
They’re still federated with lemmygrad so I doubt it. Also, FOSS is pretty communist
AKA the cowards libs and reactionaries
Slrpnk? We need a hitler scanner emoji for eco fascists
They could definitely use a scan, but it’s more of a nominally anarchist sorta thing
The damn slurpniks.
TL;DR? What’s special about this instance?
It’s an incredibly active, explicitly communist instance that scares instances that are more liberal or right wing because we don’t tolerate people who use buzzwords or generalizations or just “reddit politics” speech in general.
We’re also incredibly hostile to bigotry, which turns out to scare a lot of moderators and admins that can’t directly from Reddit as they tend to have a lot of unexplored bigotry.
We’re also incredibly hostile to bigotry
So this is like an Internet battlefield? Ok cool… Now I’m going to retreat quietly like this is a boss room that I’m way underleveled for.
Don’t worry, we’re not outwardly hostile unless you’re coming in shouting slurs and insulting folks. If you’re willing to learn about leftism, feel free to level up at Librehab
Also, our instance is known for our many, many emojis and love of shitposting
You’re welcome to lurk by the door, might learn a thing or two. We’re incredibly hostile to overtly problematic views but also incredibly helpful to those who want to learn and do better.
People are very welcoming and kind here as long as you aren’t hostile or acting in bad faith. We have scanners that can detect bigots and bad faith actors.
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what they said, plus we’re not tiny
