The territory of the Republic of China according to its existing national boundaries shall not be altered except by resolution of the National Assembly.
Which means they’re not independent of the rest of China. They also claim parts of Japan, Korea, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Russia, and according to Vietnam parts of Vietnam. Their territorial claims aren’t ancient by the way, they were revised in 2002, when they accepted Mongolia’s sovereignty.
the government doesn’t. Government don’t reflect the will of the people. Even if the people want a “free taiwan” the government will constantly pursue a policy of reunification under their government.
In some countries laws are put to the vote of the population, enacted, and enforced. Would you deny that is a reflection of the people’s will?
the government will constantly pursue a policy of reunification under their government
This is untrue. The Tsai Ing-wen administration maintains that Taiwan is already an independent country as the Republic of China and thus does not have to push for any sort of formal independence. They want to maintain the status quo because they don’t want their population slaughtered. As does the population. Almost like they are the same. Sort of like a reflection.
In some countries laws are put to the vote of the population, enacted, and enforced. Would you deny that is a reflection of the people’s will?
Bourgeoisie democracies serve the rich first, the corporations first. Democracy of the dollar always favors the ones with the most dollars. I will rightfully claim that most people do not feel represented by their neoliberal country’s government.
Also how do you claim to be a different, independent government, but also claim to be china? They also have claims on Tibet and Mongolia!
So the “nation” that doesn’t even consider itself independent sounds independent to you?
They cannot claim themselves independent or else China would attack. Don’t you think it’s kind of ludicrous that a country can force another “region” to not be independent by threatening them?
@diablexical@lemm.ee was not actually claiming that China is not independent. They are trying prove that Taiwan is independent through reductio ad absurdium. Basically, they try to derive something absurd (in this case China not being independent) from your claims.
You can’t prove independence through logical contradiction. It’s a state of foreign recognition. China clearly won the war enough to be recognized. Taiwan did not.
You sorta have to win the war to declare independence.
Change the question to: “would you die for Taiwanese independence?” And watch the numbers drop.
So mainland China is not independent then?
They have the mainland and everyone recognizes them as China.
Sounds independent to me. Forget your pedantic nonsense.
As does Taiwan to me, and right back at you comrade.
So the “nation” that doesn’t even consider itself independent sounds independent to you?
And I’m the one being pedantic?
Sorry to say but independence isn’t a vibe.
It’s not a vibe based analysis.
How does it not consider itself independent?
Article 4 of the constitution:
Which means they’re not independent of the rest of China. They also claim parts of Japan, Korea, Myanmar, Bhutan, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Russia, and according to Vietnam parts of Vietnam. Their territorial claims aren’t ancient by the way, they were revised in 2002, when they accepted Mongolia’s sovereignty.
the government doesn’t. Government don’t reflect the will of the people. Even if the people want a “free taiwan” the government will constantly pursue a policy of reunification under their government.
In some countries laws are put to the vote of the population, enacted, and enforced. Would you deny that is a reflection of the people’s will?
This is untrue. The Tsai Ing-wen administration maintains that Taiwan is already an independent country as the Republic of China and thus does not have to push for any sort of formal independence. They want to maintain the status quo because they don’t want their population slaughtered. As does the population. Almost like they are the same. Sort of like a reflection.
Bourgeoisie democracies serve the rich first, the corporations first. Democracy of the dollar always favors the ones with the most dollars. I will rightfully claim that most people do not feel represented by their neoliberal country’s government.
Also how do you claim to be a different, independent government, but also claim to be china? They also have claims on Tibet and Mongolia!
They cannot claim themselves independent or else China would attack. Don’t you think it’s kind of ludicrous that a country can force another “region” to not be independent by threatening them?
What are your opinions on the civil war in the US?
Should the confederacy have been allowed to leave without threat of force?
I don’t really care about the history of the US.
@diablexical@lemm.ee was not actually claiming that China is not independent. They are trying prove that Taiwan is independent through reductio ad absurdium. Basically, they try to derive something absurd (in this case China not being independent) from your claims.
Thus “pedantic nonsense”
You can’t prove independence through logical contradiction. It’s a state of foreign recognition. China clearly won the war enough to be recognized. Taiwan did not.
Independence isn’t a vibe.
Reductio ad absurdium is not “pedantic nonsense.”
When misapplied that badly, it really is.
Why would anyone want to die for a mere label of “independence”? Most Taiwanese people just want to enjoy the practically independent status quo.
Because it’s not a vibe. They’re not really independent. The island will live forever in Chinas shadow.