@GBU_28@TDCN this is basically an income adjusted fine for breaking the law in egregious ways. Are you also opposed to fines for other bad behavior?
I also appreciate that it gets more people thinking about ways to move without a car. that is more doable in Denmark then in the US, but cars are dangerous, and if you put other at risk so casually I have little sympathy.
For the sake of conversation, let’s consider some other owned object. I’m grasping here but say you had your computer seized for anti government speech. (I know, not the same as endangering people with a car).
It wouldn’t be right to lose a multi thousand dollar device simply because the government willed it. Certainly not without compensation.
@GBU_28 skip any example that doesn’t routinely involve the single biggest cause of child death in the US. There is no reason for a person to be exceeding the speed limit by double. That’s just gambling with others life and limb.
I think a multi-thousand dollar, income adjusted fine should be the minimum in that case.
@GBU_28 the point is significance of the criminal action and the penalty.
Paying my property taxes late should have a fine (a penalty), but assuming I pay them with in a reasonable time, one that is not significant (say 2% of the taxes amount, or a flat fee of $25)
The government is taking things of value without recompense because I failed to act with in the law.
I’ve seen no argument from you that the penalty is not reasonable, or that a reasonable penalty is unjust.
@GBU_28 @TDCN this is basically an income adjusted fine for breaking the law in egregious ways. Are you also opposed to fines for other bad behavior?
I also appreciate that it gets more people thinking about ways to move without a car. that is more doable in Denmark then in the US, but cars are dangerous, and if you put other at risk so casually I have little sympathy.
For the sake of conversation, let’s consider some other owned object. I’m grasping here but say you had your computer seized for anti government speech. (I know, not the same as endangering people with a car).
It wouldn’t be right to lose a multi thousand dollar device simply because the government willed it. Certainly not without compensation.
@GBU_28 skip any example that doesn’t routinely involve the single biggest cause of child death in the US. There is no reason for a person to be exceeding the speed limit by double. That’s just gambling with others life and limb.
I think a multi-thousand dollar, income adjusted fine should be the minimum in that case.
The point is I selected an example that had no relation to cars or driving, and no safety context.
The point of the example was ownership, and dealings with the government.
Critical thinking 101
I made clear in earlier comments that I’m aware driving is a privilege and reckless driving is a serious crime
@GBU_28 the point is significance of the criminal action and the penalty.
Paying my property taxes late should have a fine (a penalty), but assuming I pay them with in a reasonable time, one that is not significant (say 2% of the taxes amount, or a flat fee of $25)
The government is taking things of value without recompense because I failed to act with in the law.
I’ve seen no argument from you that the penalty is not reasonable, or that a reasonable penalty is unjust.
@GBU_28 additionally, there are many cases where the government seizes the tools used to commit the crime.
I (off the top of my head) only find issue with this where the confiscated “stuff” is not evidence and taken prior to conviction.
It also makes people think twice before lending their car to any random friend