The inglorious bastards. It treats a very serious subject matter with too much quirky humor.
Also the Nazi slaughter group is basically like an Einsatz Gruppe, but for slaughtering German soldiers. Literally locking people in a building (often a church) and then setting it ablaze was a technique used against Jews.
Just reversing the roles doesn’t make it an act that’s worth cheering for, like people did in the cinema when I saw it. I couldn’t detach myself from that, hence why I did personally not enjoy it.
Inglorious Bastards ain’t your average war flick or history lesson, it’s Tarantino doing his offbeat thing. The humor’s not mocking the war, but poking at the villains. The Basterds are soldiers, not a hit squad against innocents. The cinema cheers? That’s just folks enjoying seeing the Nazis get some comeuppance. If you didn’t dig it, cool. But remember, Tarantino’s all about pushing buttons and sparking chatter. If it got under your skin, maybe it hit the mark.
Inglorious Bastards ain’t your average war flick or history lesson, it’s Tarantino doing his offbeat thing
I can understand that, I like his style ususally. But that’s point of my disappointment. As a historian I cannot see it apart from the historical events. But the crowd reaction is what really freaked me out, it’s scary if you think of it.
But remember, Tarantino’s all about pushing buttons and sparking chatter. If it got under your skin, maybe it hit the mark.
It may have. I think the true brilliance of the movie is how the audience, due to framing, can be induced to condone the killing of innocents. I sincerely hope that wasn’t actually Tarantino’s intention.
For instance the soldier killed by the bear jew refused to give up military secrets under threat of death. He chooses te respectfully refuse and is then killed. Framed differently in lots of war movies this is a heroic act.
But here people then cheer when te bear jew comes out and finishes him off.
All of this is an actual war crime.
That’s just folks enjoying seeing the Nazis get some comeuppance.
Indeed and I know, it’s all a bit of good fun. I just can separate it from the very real and very deadly seriousness of this part of history. That was what the main question of this thread was about.
This is such a weird take when… Why is it scary when the Nazis are obviously the bad guys? This movie is revenge porn against the most indulgent actors in one of the worst parts of European history. Chris waltz is never portraying his character as sympathetic in any way.
What innocents are being hurt in this movie? The movie goers that are participating it the propaganda screening?
Listen. It is one of the hardest cases to discern guilt in wartime situations. Membership of the nazi parti or being a german soldier is not per se a sign of guilt. Just like just being a jew is no reason to be killed, too. I’m all for sentencing war criminals, but the soldier killed by bear jew nor the people sitting in the cinema (aside from Hitlers direct circle) have been proven to be guilty of war crimes.
If you applaud them burning, you’re basicly using the same system of dehumanising a group of people as the nazi party and the SS used for making people belief sloughtering jews, gypsies, gay people is ok. That is very, very wrong.
Nope. It’s always based and cool to kill a Nazi. Not gonna let people like you equate a group of fascists who kill everyone but themselves to the groups that just want to exist.
And nobody has been confusing a German soldier with a gun to their back and a Nazi that bounded forward with exuberance. There’s always a difference in an indictment, one is where you have failed to hold your countrymen accountable, and the other where you worked to actively support those acts. Both are worth being ashamed. Both might be sentenced to death. One will be viewed with pity, and the other with disgust. There’s nothing to be scared of in this paradigm unless you are willing to tolerate or perpetrate acts like these.
The inglorious bastards. It treats a very serious subject matter with too much quirky humor.
Also the Nazi slaughter group is basically like an Einsatz Gruppe, but for slaughtering German soldiers. Literally locking people in a building (often a church) and then setting it ablaze was a technique used against Jews.
Just reversing the roles doesn’t make it an act that’s worth cheering for, like people did in the cinema when I saw it. I couldn’t detach myself from that, hence why I did personally not enjoy it.
Inglorious Bastards ain’t your average war flick or history lesson, it’s Tarantino doing his offbeat thing. The humor’s not mocking the war, but poking at the villains. The Basterds are soldiers, not a hit squad against innocents. The cinema cheers? That’s just folks enjoying seeing the Nazis get some comeuppance. If you didn’t dig it, cool. But remember, Tarantino’s all about pushing buttons and sparking chatter. If it got under your skin, maybe it hit the mark.
I can understand that, I like his style ususally. But that’s point of my disappointment. As a historian I cannot see it apart from the historical events. But the crowd reaction is what really freaked me out, it’s scary if you think of it.
It may have. I think the true brilliance of the movie is how the audience, due to framing, can be induced to condone the killing of innocents. I sincerely hope that wasn’t actually Tarantino’s intention.
For instance the soldier killed by the bear jew refused to give up military secrets under threat of death. He chooses te respectfully refuse and is then killed. Framed differently in lots of war movies this is a heroic act.
But here people then cheer when te bear jew comes out and finishes him off.
All of this is an actual war crime.
Indeed and I know, it’s all a bit of good fun. I just can separate it from the very real and very deadly seriousness of this part of history. That was what the main question of this thread was about.
This is such a weird take when… Why is it scary when the Nazis are obviously the bad guys? This movie is revenge porn against the most indulgent actors in one of the worst parts of European history. Chris waltz is never portraying his character as sympathetic in any way.
What innocents are being hurt in this movie? The movie goers that are participating it the propaganda screening?
“German soldiers”
Listen. It is one of the hardest cases to discern guilt in wartime situations. Membership of the nazi parti or being a german soldier is not per se a sign of guilt. Just like just being a jew is no reason to be killed, too. I’m all for sentencing war criminals, but the soldier killed by bear jew nor the people sitting in the cinema (aside from Hitlers direct circle) have been proven to be guilty of war crimes.
If you applaud them burning, you’re basicly using the same system of dehumanising a group of people as the nazi party and the SS used for making people belief sloughtering jews, gypsies, gay people is ok. That is very, very wrong.
Nope. It’s always based and cool to kill a Nazi. Not gonna let people like you equate a group of fascists who kill everyone but themselves to the groups that just want to exist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
And nobody has been confusing a German soldier with a gun to their back and a Nazi that bounded forward with exuberance. There’s always a difference in an indictment, one is where you have failed to hold your countrymen accountable, and the other where you worked to actively support those acts. Both are worth being ashamed. Both might be sentenced to death. One will be viewed with pity, and the other with disgust. There’s nothing to be scared of in this paradigm unless you are willing to tolerate or perpetrate acts like these.
You’re forgetting that they still had an ethical alternative to supporting fascism. Just perhaps not a pleasant one.
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