• @justastranger@sh.itjust.works
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    It’s like every time there’s a war everybody forgets how fucking long they take. WW2 took six years. The Vietnam War took almost 20 years, same with the Afghanistan War. Anybody expecting anything solid within the next couple years is delusional. Ukraine is in it for the long haul.

    • @SheeEttin@lemmy.world
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      656 months ago

      That’s not strictly true. On the short end, there was the six-day war. On the long end, there was the hundred years’ war.

      Putin was clearly aiming for the short option, but then I suppose most belligerents usually are.

    • Fogle
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      We can hope Putin dies from being an old fuck and Russia gives up

      • @Blursty@lemmy.ml
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        -316 months ago

        The US is on its last legs though. It badly needed this win. The US falls before Putin dies.

            • @vokkez@lemmy.world
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              26 months ago

              Lol literally every single line of that post is absolutely nonsense.

              The US is on its last legs though.

              Lol in what universe? By way metric is the most powerful nation in the world limping along?

              It badly needed this win.

              If we badly needed a win we wouldn’t be sending 30+ year-old surplus gear. Ukraine would have F-35s instead of the air force trying to pawn off A-10s because we’re retiring them and don’t want to break them down.

              The US falls before Putin dies.

              Unless he’s a Highlander there’s no fucking chance.

        • @IonAddis@lemmy.world
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          I always take a peek at the comment history when I see things like this. And this guy basically just woke up to say things like this in one specific thread.

          I’m no longer a mod of anything these days, but if I had a mod-hammer I’d send you into the next galaxy.

    • TWeaK
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      36 months ago

      That’s because it isn’t really about any particular military objective, it’s about creating business for the war industry.

      • OKRainbowKid
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        706 months ago

        “We shouldn’t help the rape victim and they should hope that it’s over quickly. Also, it’s actually not rape, it’s a special sexual operation and they deserved it.” - Tankies

        • @gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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          And shelling civilians in the Donbas is presumably the equivalent of putting on a nice dress in your metaphor?

          Make extremely inappropriate and wrong rape comparison ⇒ Accuse anyone who disagrees of being a rape apologist ⇒ FUCK TANKIES!

          Extremely normal and sound logic there, definitely not just vibe-based emotional manipulation.

          • @barsoap
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            Ask Prigozhin whether that shelling actually happened. You swallowed Russian propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

            • @gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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              66 months ago

              https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/OHCHRThematicReportUkraineJan2014-May2016_EN.pdf

              OHCHR estimates that between mid-April 2014 and 31 May 2016, at least 9,404 people, of which up to 2,000 are civilians, have been killed as a result of the conflict. The vast majority of civilian casualties, recorded on the territories controlled by the Government of Ukraine and on those controlled by armed groups, were caused by the indiscriminate shelling of residential areas, in violation of the international humanitarian law principle of distinction.

              Na better believe Prigozhin, that guy never told a lie or said anything that was totally wrong.

              • @barsoap
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                What do you believe your source to say, exactly? That Ukraine shelled indiscriminately? If so, you should read it again.

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                  Yes it says that exactly, unless you think the “armed groups” shelled themselves.

        • @novibe@lemmy.ml
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          Funny how if you’re against another endless war you’re a tankie and support Putin…

          I’m neither a tankie nor I support Putin. But I also don’t support NATO and the Empire.

          But just as a note, most “tankies” don’t support Russia and know Putin is a conservative capitalist. I mean he is the direct result of the dismantling of the USSR by internal revisionists (tsarists and capitalists) and the CIA.

          But again, it’s the Iraq war all over again. And you libs are doing THE SAME THING. It’s hilarious.

          • rastilin
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            There’s a load of things I could say, but they would all be pointless, so I’m going to say this. It would be less depressing if you were actually being paid by the Russians.

            EDIT: Which, you know, is not actually out of the question.

            • @novibe@lemmy.ml
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              “Being against war means you are our enemy!” - the “pacifist”, “anti-war”, liberal.

            • @novibe@lemmy.ml
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              -186 months ago

              More than you guys it seems. You’re all salivating at the idea of Russians dying and this war never ending.

                • @novibe@lemmy.ml
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                  -96 months ago

                  Me too. We take Putin out, return the USSR, and then we dismantle the far-right apparatus in Ukraine as well. We close all US military bases and shut down NATO.

                  We then impose on the US strict international laws to never have a military, to interfere or invade another nation again, or it’s dismantled and given to all 3rd world countries it fucked over the past 100 years.

              • OKRainbowKid
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                106 months ago

                Putin could stop this war and thus Russians from dying at any minute. He’d just have to give up on imperialism.

          • @Franconian_Nomad@feddit.de
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            256 months ago

            „Libs“ we’re against the Iraq war. It divided the US population and the whole western world. Never listened to American Idiot?

            I’m confused. You want us to protest against one sort of imperialism, but not the other?

            • @novibe@lemmy.ml
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              I think you’re remembering incorrectly bro… After 9/11, if you didn’t support invading any vaguely Muslim country you were a traitor. Fucking libs on TV were cheering for killing Saddam and invading Iraq, dismissing any attempts to question why would that even make sense as weak-spined traitorous behaviour.

              Also, how can you say that while you support a never ending war in Ukraine?

              Is Russia imperialist? Yes. Is this invasion a tragedy? Yes. Did it happen, and will continue to happen for a long time in good part because of the US? Fuck yes as well.

              I don’t support Russia invading or winning the war. I don’t support NATO breaking its promises and meddling in Eastern Europe propping up Nazis.

              The US Empire is directly responsible for Putin, in the first place. And it’s now directly responsible for the extreme right in Ukraine.

              What anyone who’s actually against war wants is for the US Empire to fall and NATO to be dismantled. For Putin to fall and the Russian people to have freedom again. For the Nazis in Ukraine to not have power anymore.

              If you support sending billions in weapons to Ukraine (as fucking debt, Ukraine will be in debt to the US and Europe for centuries…), if you support war games in South Korea, Taiwan, if you complained when Biden left Afghanistan… you’re literally a war hawk.

              • @Franconian_Nomad@feddit.de
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                You blathering fool. I’m not your bro and never will be.

                When you see a school bully who fights a smaller kid who doesn’t want to give up his lunch money, what do you do? You are the kind of person shouting at the victim to comply to avoid any further bloodshed, right? You’re fucking filth. I think I even watched a Star Trek episode about your fucking kind, lol.

                Just for your information: NATO has nothing to do with this. Other than being a scapegoat of course. Quite the opposite, if Ukraine was part of NATO, this war would never happened. Why do you think Poland and the Chech Rebublic were so eager to join it? NATO is a defense pact. But I know, people like you don’t care. NATO is the big boogie man you need to justify your political views.

                And no, I don’t remember incorrectly. The Bush regime was republican. They faked evidence to attack Iraq. The were huge demonstations and turmoil Google the Dixie Chicks, listen to American Idiot. I’m not american. I’m german. We were one of the countries who were part of a so called “axis of evil” because we didn’t agree with the war. Shut the fuck up.

                I was always pretty left leaning. Never liked US-Imperialism since I got 16 and realised Tom Clancy Novels were pretty one-sided. But if supporting ukraine means I’m a Hawk, so be it. All I know is, I don’t want to be on your side!

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                  We were one of the countries who were part of a so called “axis of evil”

                  Slight correction, no, they didn’t go that far. We’re “Old Europe”.

                  It was also when they renamed French Fries to Freedom Fries to protest the French being, well, French, as if the French wouldn’t already be constantly doing that. (Meanwhile Belgium was hoping someone would notice them).

          • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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            It is 2023. I am being called a tankie for opposing the escalation of a needless slaughter engineered by the western military industial complex.

            It is 2003. I am being called a Saddam lover for opposing the escalation of a needless slaughter engineered by the western military industial complex.

            It is 1969. I am being called a commie and probably also racial slurs for opposing the escalation of a needless slaughter engineered by the western military industial complex. manhattan