I don’t like to see so many political posts in all and so many weird images in comment sections

  • yata@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    They are so eager to prove themselves the assholes that people accuse them of being, and then they whine and cry about instances defederating from them.

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      I’m pretty sure the whole thing is a false flag/astroturf to discredit sincere leftist discourse. It seems a lot like a blend of bad leftist parody, and edgy 14-year-olds who fell for it

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        Sounds like r/chapotraphouse in a nutshell.

        Also, I think TheDude was underselling why they were originally banned on Reddit. They were the left-wing version of r/TheDonald. The reason he listed was just the excuse Reddit used to justify kicking them off the platform

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                r/The_Donald was known for being a toxic cesspool that often went out to harass other subs. r/chapotraphouse did the same thing, they were just on the other side of the political spectrum. The rest of Reddit hated both because they were full of toxic brigading assholes, and if you can’t understand that then you’re beyond hope

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        This exactly. I swear the entire point is to discredit and divide. The FBI couldn’t do a better job if they tried. What I’ve been finding really interesting is the stress they put on being “anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-fascist, etc”. If you were really those things you would most definitely not need to shoehorn that into EVERY SINGLE COMMENT. “hey it’s a nice day outside, I’m anti-racist anti homophobic anti trans anti fascist btw” Mind you on reddit when chapotraphouse was popular there were a lot of them talking about how they HATE identity politics and basically dismissing anything to do with race. So the pronouns in the names, the constant non sequitors about how they’re actually “more anti-racist and anti-homophobic” than you, etc. It feels like it might just be really deep irony and they’re just memeing it.

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          I mistakenly assumed that they would be more similar to chapotraphouse, but now I see that the 3 year exile has stripped away many of the reasonable people. I still hope some of these users will snap out of it and realize they are acting obnoxiously and unproductively, but the chances of that happening seem slim at this point.

          CTH was aggressively leftist but it was actually funny and self aware. Hexbear seems to have forgotten how to interact with ordinary people.

          • MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works
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            I mean, I like aggressively leftist and most of lemmy that I’ve experienced feels that way. This hexbear shit feels like anti-leftist agitation though. It fucking stinks of feds. If not at the beginning, they’re certainly there now

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              You think feds want you to support socialist countries and point out their achievements?You’re delusional.

              Say hi to your FBI handler for me.

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          I don’t know, I’ve actually met people in real life who were sort of like that. It was really toned down compared to what you would read online but it was still there.

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          and basically dismissing anything to do with race.

          Show me

          Anyway, the rest of your post is basically a deranged imagining trying to cope with leftists whose attitudes are different than you are accustomed to.

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        Oh, I literally just had a comment on my thoughts on it. Here is it pasted, since I don’t want direct linking to it. TLDR it’s probably majority those 14 year olds, not a false flag.

        I don’t think they are pretending to be those things. They truly believe themselves and their interpretation of Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, communism and socialist projects to be true and just.

        The only issue is that they come from a specific strain of western leftist that got into the “uwu dank Soviet club” meme of the mid-10s and never evolved past that understanding of the people, projects, policies and states they stan like a fandom. They could take some lessons from the anarchists tbqh, but they’d rather post PPB and “liberals get the wall”. Very annoying.

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          I think they’re bots because I nearly exactly agree with them politically. They’re almost exactly my beliefs, but with the most annoying, self-righteous, groupthink presentation possible. That’s why I think they’re a false flag smear campaign to discredit actual leftists.

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              Hey look, another hexbear making baseless and incorrect assumptions about my political inclinations, even further proving my point! Keep your corporate shill false flag disinfo to yourself, please and thank you.

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            Consider the self-flattery of assuming a community that existed in isolation for three years just to eventually make you look bad when they became federated again.

            Maybe there is a real disagreement instead?

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              Then how come the interactions have been predominantly self-righteous name-calling? My issue isn’t with the political ideals, it’s with the presumptuous antagonism.

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              See? This is exactly what I’m talking about. “Anyone who doesn’t believe exactly the same as me for exactly the same reasons with exactly the same presentation as me is a transphobic boot-licking liberal!”

              You’ve had no political discourse with me by which to evaluate my political beliefs, but disagreeing with hexbear specifically is enough for you to assume I’m not a “real” communist. You see how this just proves my point, right?

              I thought thinking people who disagree with you politically weren’t real communists wasn’t a healthy mindset to have?

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        No. I had an account when the instance was first set up, but I got banned for getting into an argument with a power-user. I wouldn’t say it’s always been like this, but this is definitely what it’s like normally.

        We mutated out of a band of subreddit refugees from r/ChapoTrapHouse, but I feel like the current community doesn’t fully live up to what it used to be.

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          I think it was, by its nature, susceptible to compromise as described above, which has been capitalized upon. Whatever it was, or pretends to be, has pretty clearly been manipulated into a deliberately obnoxious parody that, functionally, obstructs left unity and overwhelmingly benefits neolibs.

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              “People” can engage in civil discourse to discuss those beliefs. That’s not what I’m seeing, what I’m seeing is immediate strawmanning, insults, and overall cartoonish disrespect. That’s not someone with a different belief, that’s someone presenting the most obnoxious possible parody of someone with that belief.

              What’s funny is those beliefs aren’t even that different, I’m pretty far left. This is just hivemind soundbite nonsense.

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          I’m a leftist (not a liberal, actually leftist). It’s not a difference in opinion, it’s a presentation so outrageously bad it can’t be in good faith. It’s a middle-school mockery of communists, it just makes us look ridiculous to the people we should be engaging with sincerely.

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          Why is it hard to believe or understand that this, right here and now on lemmy, really is most westerners’ first time interacting with actual communists? A lot of us dems are pretty open minded and a lot of us want the US to move toward socialism. But most of our exposure to communism has just been “communism bad.” So of course we don’t understand the fuller spectrum of leftism, because our fascist conservative party has forced everything so far to the right, and our education system is abysmal.

          Then we come here and see a bunch of “stupid libs” memes, which from the outside we can’t understand because we identify as liberals (leftists). You folks give off the same vibe of how our fascist conservatives treat us (own the libs, kill a dem to save America, etc), and I think thats why people assume or equate you with Nazis. We’ve never met real communists, and a lot of stuff on the internet is fake. It’s entirely understandable.

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            You cannot say you are open minded while accusing people who disagree with you of being false flag astroterfers.

            A lot of us dems are pretty open minded and a lot of us want the US to move toward socialism. But most of our exposure to communism has just been “communism bad.” So of course we don’t understand the fuller spectrum of leftism, because our fascist conservative party has forced everything so far to the right, and our education system is abysmal.

            Why are you telling me this though; you’ve already written me off as a ‘false flag/astroturf to discredit sincere leftist discourse.’ If that’s the case, what does explaining this to me accomplish?

            Then we come here and see a bunch of “stupid libs” memes

            How about this, the amount of bile we get from liberals is enormous, and we’re tired of being expecting to respond with perfect manners when we know from experience that 90% of the people talking to us are doing so in bad faith and will spit any sincere effort on our parts back in our face.

            You folks give off the same vibe of how our fascist conservatives treat us (own the libs, kill a dem to save America, etc), and I think thats why people assume or equate you with Nazis.

            No offense, but if Nazism is just about ‘vibes’ to someone, then I don’t think it is within my power to deprogram them, so why would I try.

            It’s entirely understandable.

            The vast majority of liberals I interact with on the internet are venomous and hateful to me, that doesn’t mean I assume they’re all right wing false flags.

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              I think you may have confused me with the other poster. I don’t think you are astroturfers. I’m saying I can see how other westerners would make that mistake - they’re just not aware that real communists exist. We should be better informed, but we’re not. Sorry.

              I don’t even “disagree” with communism personally, it’s just that’s it’s largely impossible in the US. I’m willing to have discussions about it, but I also think compromise is important for any ideology. And communism seems to not want any compromise, which makes it hard to have a discussion. I could be wrong about that, though.

              As for the vibes… I do think this is valid and I’ll explain why. Most theories sound good on paper. Even our conservative fiscal policies sound reasonable in theory. But when you hang out with the conservatives who support these theories, you find out they don’t actually care about the theory, they’re just hiding their hateful culture war stuff behind the fiscal policy and saying “watch what we say, not what we do.” So studying communist theory is all well and good, but what I’m really interested in is getting to know actual people who stand behind the theory.

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                I can’t remember who said it (it might have actually been Stalin) but the “works in theory but not in practice” idiom is bad and should be abandoned. Political theory is for the purpose of practice. If it fundamentally does not practically work, then the problem is with the theory. If it isn’t fundamentally broken, then you can’t speak in such generalizations about it.

                Conservatism is vile when you drill down into what they are saying and don’t just let them wax poetic about pastoral bullshit and wealth. You don’t even need to look at the real world, you can get their hate from the theory once they start talking about the poor. Marxism in no way resembles this.

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          This is the most “American that doesn’t understand the liberal is only considered left in the US” comment I have ever seen

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      hexbears are abrasive because we expect most liberals to be venomous and dismissive toward us and not listen to anything we say, even if we operate in good faith. so instead of wasting a lot of energy on a response that will be thrown back at us like dogshit, we’re flippant and cursory. for my part, I actually still respond in good faith most of the time, but I pick my battles.

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        go the fuck back to hexbear. Your instance sucks so hard you went and created another account on another instance to get around defederation. Fuck you.