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for Cringetopia users
Also I hope people in here are decent about plurals. r/fakedisordercringe is another one of the “be normal 
” instances
for Cringetopia users
Also I hope people in here are decent about plurals. r/fakedisordercringe is another one of the “be normal ” instances
Self diagnosis is valid but also a bunch of people aren’t actually self-diagnosing they’re just using it to be edgy.
They used to say “as an r-slur” but when that became unacceptable they switched to autistic. A lot of the people saying this stuff don’t actually genuinely think they’re autistic, they’re just assholes.
Which is a problem because our autistic friends struggle to recognise it. And they’re a vulnerable group for grooming.
i agree with everything you said, please read this in a friendly and confused tone. i dont see how that contrast with my original statement. My goal was to make self diagnosed comrades who were feeling insecure from assholes in the post above feel better. the fake disorder crigne sub is harmful imo. there are definitely the keffels of the world and tic tok teens and those people suck but do not invalidate actual autistic individuals self diagnosis.
hahaha oh trust me I know. I have been left feeling tricked and hurt quite a few times, I still always believe my comrades unless I have reason not to.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Just adding that there’s an issue here in that we do need to find a way to counter the assholes somehow while also not invalidating our autistic friends.
i see, I agree!
what do you mean by this exactly and how should the issue be adressed, then, in your opinion?
It’s similar to the vulnerability that young eggs (trans people that haven’t realised it yet) have to grooming by the far right.
They give them attention in a certain set of specific ways and then pipeline them into right wing online spaces and behaviours through various targeted grooming methods. I use the word grooming here because it’s specifically the young teens that are most vulnerable to it and the main core of the people targeted.
I don’t know how the issue should be addressed. I’m just highlighting it as an issue. We do need to avoid invalidating self-diagnosis autism but also need to counter the shitheads.
This is not meant as a rebuke or lecture, mostly thinking aloud.
I am unsure about reclaiming terms from the shitheads. I suppose it is necessary.
Arguments of positionality are a curse and there are counters to them, but they need to be expanded. For example, tokenism and showing how that person is harming their own group would be a start.
Fakeclaiming requires a lot of looking at individual cases to be even semi viable. It is in my experience mostly harmful.
Arguments should be dealt with in a principaled manner while recognizing identities in a way that stops presupposing that Identity X has a right to opinion Y, I think.
This is not meant as a diss, I just kinda feel tired being suspicious all the time and wanted to give some thoughts(funny thing for a 1 month account to say, but I have been around for some time, I just occassionally delete my acc bc of OPsec, believe me 🥺)
It’s ok I understand what you’re getting at - trying to think about solutions to the problem while avoiding causing more problems in the process.
I’m somewhat stuck with it. It’s easy to see the problem and it’s also easy to see how our usual tactics for countering it are insufficient without also hurting actual autistic people. It deserves some longterm thought, perhaps people will eventually start to find some solutions.
Yeah, I will come back after reading some more stuff