• umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    somebody is lying or omitting information, with war comes propaganda

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      I’m always baffled by the prevalent idea that the Russian population is influenced by propaganda while in the west we aren’t. Truth is the first casualty of war, for all sides.

      The same absurd thinking can be seen in political discussion. Each side is convinced the other side is deluded and lives in a bubble of fake news. Like their side isn’t.

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          In a war setting? Of course.

          Propaganda has always and will always outpaced whatever protections freedom of information has. Those freedoms only really hold in peacetime.

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          I don’t think you understand how unfree information is in the West. The West has the oldest, biggest, most well funded, and most effective propaganda machine in the history of the world.

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          You mean like what Trump supporters consume? And Fox, MSNBC, and all the other “news” outlets? How is that freedom working for the people in the land of the free?

          There may be differences in the scale of bias and propaganda, but nobody should live under the illusion that they have access to unbiased news.

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            You are still drawing an equivalence between availability of information in America compared to Russia, implying they are equal. They are not and what you are doing is disingenuous.

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              How many Western journalists are on the ground in Ukraine right now?

              Ukraine has a very strong incentive to distribute misinformation… War morale and public support is essential to Ukraine’s defence.

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                You think there aren’t journalists in Ukraine? Nolan Peterson, Sarah Rainsford, Lynsey Addario. I can go on

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                  How many haven’t been told by their respective government office to keep morale high in their reporting?