At least 3/5 times, my post gets removed either because:
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it violates some subsection of some dot point in those extensive sidebar rules that I didn’t study thoroughly enough, or
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some mod decides it would be better if I posted as a comment in their dedicated mega thread on the subject, or
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the Automoderator removed it without explanation, and the mods are all currently on holiday or too busy to GAF.
Anyone else have this problem? And is lemmy any better?
Lemmy will not prevent you from having to read the rules of your community, nor your instance.
For best results, in any online community, it is wise to read the rules before you contribute.
Yeah this post is just a griefing troll. Reddit is losing so there’ll be more of it for a while. Thanks for pointing out what should have been obvious to op.
I dunno. I’m an autistic anxiety-sufferer who scours subreddit rules before I ever try to post anything, specifically to avoid the embarrassment and shame of doing it “wrong”, and some of those subs are still impossible. Have you ever tried to post anything in r/Showerthoughts? The rules absolutely don’t cover all the things the automod will instantly remove. It uses some kind of keyword tagging system that is never explained in any of the sidebars or wikis. I tried maybe a dozen different thoughts over the course of a couple months and not one of them got past the automod (well, except for the one that a mod reposted as their own 24 hours after mine got deleted, but that’s gotta be a coincidence).
Or, my second-favorite, the one where your post gets autoremoved for “Rule 4”, but there’s no list of numbered rules anywhere on or linked to the subreddit. I think that’s a “feature” of New Reddit, where Old Reddit users can’t see the sidebars anymore under certain conditions, but I’m not sure.
And then, third favorite, are the ones OP is probably talking about, where the rules amount to a college textbook’s worth of pages that have been through no developmental editing or copyediting, so they’re more vague than 5e’s description of the Magic Jar spell, but whatever interpretation the mods are using, it’s not the obvious one… or the second-obvious… or the third-obvious…
I was never able to post anything to Showerthoughts, and not for lack of trying. One time the automod even said my post was unoriginal despite me having already done a Google search for it. This was before AI got big, so I can only imagine they had some super advanced AI that could understand context and make judgements.
Anyway, I unsubbed after seeing the 5th repost of the same old showerthought content and never looked back.
Yeah, at least give them a casual glance over.
For best results, in any online community, it is wise to read the rules before you contribute
Well if you read my post, sometimes it’s not just a question of reading the rules - you have to literally study them. Sometimes they are voluminous, and contain caveats.
If you encountered a community like that, maybe they needed those, there is a reason they are there and people keep posting.
For the immaculate example, see r/askhistorians where I guarantee your answers will get removed even when properly sourced since it has to do with how tight their quality control is, which that was needed to make one of the best communities out there.
Rules are not a reddit especific thing, once communities grow bigger over here more and more will develop and perfect rules that better suit their identities, it is a necessary part of this kind of social media.
Your post kindd of reminds me of another post today where someone pointed out at 4 deleted comments, with no context and basically said “reddit doesn’t respect freedom of speech, see how far mods have fallen since the blackouts” which was useless circlejerking, communities are no different that subreddits in that particular sense, moderation and rules will still be present here, a mod deleting your post has nothing to do with them being on reddit or not.
Can’t say I ever experienced that in the 11 years I had my reddit account. Perhaps you and I post differently?
Definitely. I posted on r/DIY with a picture of a ceiling I was patching in my house. My house is old and I wasn’t familiar with the construction style of my ceiling. I was already well into the job: light fixture removed, ceiling joists exposed, new sheetrock going up. But I wanted to know what the old construction material was and if it was known for being hazardous. So I posted a picture of a chunk from the ceiling with my clearly-already-very-much-started project in the back. Within 15 minutes a mod removed it because “no asking the community how to get started with a project.” I try and fight it but they weren’t having it.
Over the next week I watched so many posts get very popular on the sub with just a picture of a floor, or wall, or bathroom with a title like “thinking of adding outlets to this wall but don’t know how to start. Help.”
My favorite was
This link has been previously posted HERE
And it links to a post 5 years ago with 4 upvotes… Once you “repost” it, some mod comes along and removes it… “Previously posted”
Like c’mon wtf
Somehow every 14 year old under the sun can just spam askreddit with sex questions of generic almost showerthoughts but when i ask something automod decides to fuck me in the ass and remove every one of my postss
I…can’t say I had the same issues regarding this honestly. I think I had maybe 2-3 moderated posts in like 5 years. And I can recall for one of them I was definitely going overboard with the posts (devolved into flame war)
Actually, we’re over here on lemmy and letting the mod queues burn because fuck Reddit.
This has been my experience as well. I am leaving Reddit less because of the corporate ownership and more because I can’t stand the mods. Last September, I posted a question in r/JapanLife about Internet routers, and the mod removed it and banned my account. Last week, I replied to a thread I saw on the Popular feed, and didn’t notice it was in JapanLife, and Reddit suspended my account for it. That was the last straw, so I deleted my accounts on Reddit and came here. I guess there’s nothing to stop the mods from Reddit coming here and bringing their toxicity with them though.
You should still read the rules. There’s a general ettiquite, but there’s no universal thing that will ensure your post will belong on every instance/community.
However, unlike Reddit you can edit titles and everything about the post. So if it is rule-breaking something minor and the mods tell you what you need to change, you can fix it easily.
I love the fact that there’s no “automoderator” or “amputator-bot” on Lemmy.
That shit was obnoxious.
Automod was a useful tool, there’ll be a version here I’m sure.
It’s a useful tool but it’s obnoxious without Apollo allowing you to collapse it.
It’s function serves moderators primarily. That said what you’re describing is a client side fix. Memmy on iOS already permits collapsing threads for instance
There is not any technical reason that they don’t exist yet except that Lemmy is new. I think that may change.
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The whole reason for this big migration is Reddit taking away mod tools. If you think Lemmy isn’t going to support things like this then you are in for a bit of a surprise.
I only agree with their comment in the context of how it was abused in many communities. Gentle reminders, !agrees, most of it was fine. There were some communities where it was just too heavy handed, regardless of moderation.
There was a period of time where a few subs I participated in were just hostile to engage with. Having to essentially lean on innuendo to make a point, completely removing the entire point of discussion because it’ll just be removed for having no-no words.
Not to make myself sound like some kind of crazed verbally abusive dogwhistling lunatic - I’m talking trying to educate people with basic human decency and empathy.
Woh woh there buddy… basic human decency and empathy!!! Your pushing it fella…
Depends on the sub: in my experience, some subs were just plain more picky than others, and the reasons didn’t always map to a published rule. I was actually temporarily banned from one sub for posting something fairly innocuous – or so I thought. That was my first and only attempt to post to that sub; I promptly unsubscribed and never went back.
As to whether or not lemmy is “better”… we can hope. But if we assume that the issue is caused by humans who are fallible, (or by code that humans wrote, which is by extension fallible) than I’m afraid the source of the issue isn’t particularly likely to change with the platform.
