• jackmarxist [any]@hexbear.netOP
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    Honestly not a bad take compared to many others I’ve seen regarding this shit show. Russia doesn’t really give a shit about Nazism in Ukraine and is using this war to secure it’s strategic assets around the region that had been in under Russian/Soviet control for centuries before the breakup of the USSR. 2014’s coup threatened any sort of cooperation in Crimea and hence Russia proceeded to annex it.

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      Or NATO was going to install nuclear launch sites next door to Russia. But if you gloss over that fact then yes, Russia bad.

      Analogy: Mexico lets a US adversary install nuclear launch sites just south of the USA border. How do we think that would go? Mexico would be the pawn.

      What’s happening in Ukraine is a result of USA/EU actions, and Ukraine not being smart enough to pick up a history book and see how the USA uses poor countries as fodder. They must be shoveling mass money and cocaine at Zelensky. It’s all literally a case of “well well, the consequences of our actions.” The USA just wants resources and nuclear launch sites.

      Russia doesn’t really give a shit about Nazism in Ukraine

      they certainly do. But America has trouble relating because we were all cushy and safe over here while Russia was ratfucked by Nazi Germany. Russians still know the songs about the Great Patriotic War.

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        Or NATO was going to install nuclear launch sites next door to Russia. But if you gloss over that fact then yes, Russia bad.

        Why? What’s the difference of having launch sites in kieve compared to having launch sites in Germany, or even on a submarine in the artic circle? It’s not the 60’s anymore, we already have more than enough capacity to Russia if it came to nuclear war.

        Ukraine not being smart enough to pick up a history book and see how the USA uses poor countries as fodder.

        Yeah, because historically it’s been America who’s done horrible things in their country? Has the US used and abused it’s allies? Of course, just go ask the ask the Kurds. But it’s ignorant to believe that Russia hasn’t practiced their own form of militant imperialism. Militant imperialism that has and is still personally effecting their country.

        The USA just wants resources and nuclear launch sites.

        Yes, we are super desperate for …sunflower oil and wheat?

        Where did this insane theory about nuclear launch sites come from? America hasn’t expanded launch sites since 87’. If NATO was wanting more sites, don’t you think they would have put some in Poland by now?

        they certainly do. But America has trouble relating because we were all cushy and safe over here while Russia was ratfucked by Nazi Germany.

        Lol, yeah… Putin hates Nazis, which is why they have a pmc named Wagner, whos previous co founder was a self confessed neo nazi.

        Nazism is a problem everywhere in the post Soviet eastern block, including Russia. While the soviets were in power they strictly banned nazi imagery, for obvious reasons. When Gorbachev loosened state control over media and other censorship laws, the swastika became an anti state and anti communist symbol.

        This was often adopted by criminal organization in and around the Soviet block. These same criminal organizations had the capital to buy up state controlled companies as the soviets auctioned off state companies to private interes, becoming some of the oligarchy now controlling the Russian state.

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      The problem with this take is that why would Russia take pieces of land in Ukraine just to invite unprecedented sanctions against itself? Russia has lost hundreds of billions of US dollar assets and their oligarchs have been hit even harder, with overseas assets and properties seized.

      The annexing of Crimea in 2014 invited sanctions that practically erased Russia’s economic growth that had been gaining ground since 2001, which took near 4 years (44 months!) to even get back to the pre-sanctions level (even worse than the 2009 global financial crisis and the Covid recession in 2020). So it’s not like they didn’t anticipate this would happen.

      Yes Russia is lucky their economy didn’t collapse, but what is the point of a land grab in Ukraine when you lose businesses from your European partners? Tens of billions and years of construction went into Nord Stream (both pipelines) just to be abandoned, and then bombed? It is clear that Russia felt that it had to make this decision because the situation had devolved to the point where an invasion of Ukraine has become the least worst for them (emphasis here is failure of diplomacy).

      The imperialism of the 21st century is one of super-imperialism, where you can simply cut off their financial access to the world’s most liquid asset (US dollar) and watch them struggling to survive. This is how the hegemon gets its “free lunch” from the rest of the world, simply through printing currency out of thin air and having total control of that currency, which comprises 85% of the world’s transaction. And this is why de-dollarization is at the forefront of the countries who wish to escape the claws of US imperialism.

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        Yes Russia is lucky their economy didn’t collapse,

        not luck they have spent decades making their economy more sanction proof in the lead up to this as they saw it coming

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          It’s both, Russia did make its economy more resilient to sanctions, but ultimately it is not an industrial nation but one of resource colony.

          Make no mistake, Russia is food and energy self-sufficient, it will survive even in the harshest sanctions, but it would still be very painful for the transition because it lacks many industries. It would have taken years to rebuild the Soviet era industrial supply chain if they were really cut off access to imports from the rest of the world.

          Russia got lucky that China and the rest of the world didn’t join the Europeans in sanctioning them. One factor could be that the US overplayed its hands, by seizing all of Russia’s foreign reserves ($300 billion) and cutting off SWIFT access actually had the unintended detrimental consequences as it scared the other countries into thinking that they better find ways to get out of the US dollar regime in one way or another, or this too would be their fate one day if the US isn’t happy with them.

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            or this too would be their fate one day if the US isn’t happy with them

            They already knew this, since this behavior from the US is hardly new. Just look at Cuba, Iraq, Iran, DPRK, etc. Although I guess the difference here is scale, since if you sanction Iran or Cuba that’s not going to affect most of the world’s nations, so it’s relatively easy to ignore.

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      I think they do care a little bit in that for the last 8 years those nazis have been engaged in a civil war right next to the Russian border and believe that ethnic Russians are inferior. Russia doesn’t need to be ruled by saints to be annoyed at that turn of events