the fucking nazis were literally racist against slavic people, they did not take prisoners during their invasions, they sent them to death camps.
And…? The nazi part allied with plenty of people they thought to be subhuman.
suggest that the soviets and the nazis were allies is patently absurd
Lol, it’s basically historical fact? I literally sent you a list of war materials they exchanged. Hell, in order to get around ww1 era arms embargos the German government sent their military core to Soviet Russia to train on their tanks.
ideologies are diametrically opposed and you can do literally any cursory research to confirm the opinions of the people involved.
Hmmm, and that may be clue about how how much Stalin really cared about Marxist theory…
literally read anything the nazis wrote about the soviets at the time, or anything the soviets wrote about the nazis.
And yet, they still aided the nazi until operation Barbarossa.
other users have already provided the context for those agreements, which you ignore.
Because they were spouting historical revisionism, nothing forced the ussr into occupying Poland, or into alliance with the nazi. There was no historical rewrite of the invasion after Ww2, as the secret aspects of the non aggression pact weren’t made public until the fall of the Soviet Union in 89’.
The soviets had tried to establish treaties with the allies before the molotov-ribbentrop pact, which they refused.
“After the German occupation of Prague in March 1939 in violation of the Munich agreement, the Chamberlain government in Britain sought Soviet and French support for a Peace Front. The goal was to deter further German aggression by guaranteeing the independence of Poland and Romania. However, Stalin refused to pledge Soviet support for the guarantees unless Britain and France first concluded a military alliance with the Soviet Union. Although the British cabinet decided to seek such an alliance, the western negotiators in Moscow in August 1939 lacked urgency. The talks were conducted poorly and slowly by diplomats with little authority, such as William Strang, an assistant under-secretary. Stalin also insisted on British and French guarantees to Finland, the Baltic states, Poland and Romania against indirect German aggression.”
Oh yeah, he definitely really tried to save Poland…
to give the USSR time to establish military production factories and supply lines before the war.
Which is why Barbarossa was such a surprise? The soviets didn’t even start their build up until after the nazi invaded. They weren’t prepping for an invasion, they were consolidating their new territories.
alliance is simply irresponsible historiography.
when the Soviets stated in September that they must enter Poland to “protect” their ethnic Ukrainian and Belarusian brethren from Germany. Molotov later admitted to German officials that the excuse was necessary because the Kremlin could find no other pretext for the Soviet invasion.[217]
During the early months of the Pact, the Soviet foreign policy became critical of the Allies and more pro-German in turn. During the Fifth Session of the Supreme Soviet on 31 October 1939, Molotov analyzed the international situation, thus giving the direction for communist propaganda. According to Molotov, Germany had a legitimate interest in regaining its position as a great power, and the Allies had started an aggressive war in order to maintain the Versailles system.[218]
What exactly do you consider an alliance? So you think that you have to be best buds or something to materially support each other?
And…? The nazi part allied with plenty of people they thought to be subhuman.
Lol, it’s basically historical fact? I literally sent you a list of war materials they exchanged. Hell, in order to get around ww1 era arms embargos the German government sent their military core to Soviet Russia to train on their tanks.
Hmmm, and that may be clue about how how much Stalin really cared about Marxist theory…
And yet, they still aided the nazi until operation Barbarossa.
Because they were spouting historical revisionism, nothing forced the ussr into occupying Poland, or into alliance with the nazi. There was no historical rewrite of the invasion after Ww2, as the secret aspects of the non aggression pact weren’t made public until the fall of the Soviet Union in 89’.
“After the German occupation of Prague in March 1939 in violation of the Munich agreement, the Chamberlain government in Britain sought Soviet and French support for a Peace Front. The goal was to deter further German aggression by guaranteeing the independence of Poland and Romania. However, Stalin refused to pledge Soviet support for the guarantees unless Britain and France first concluded a military alliance with the Soviet Union. Although the British cabinet decided to seek such an alliance, the western negotiators in Moscow in August 1939 lacked urgency. The talks were conducted poorly and slowly by diplomats with little authority, such as William Strang, an assistant under-secretary. Stalin also insisted on British and French guarantees to Finland, the Baltic states, Poland and Romania against indirect German aggression.”
Oh yeah, he definitely really tried to save Poland…
Which is why Barbarossa was such a surprise? The soviets didn’t even start their build up until after the nazi invaded. They weren’t prepping for an invasion, they were consolidating their new territories.
when the Soviets stated in September that they must enter Poland to “protect” their ethnic Ukrainian and Belarusian brethren from Germany. Molotov later admitted to German officials that the excuse was necessary because the Kremlin could find no other pretext for the Soviet invasion.[217]
During the early months of the Pact, the Soviet foreign policy became critical of the Allies and more pro-German in turn. During the Fifth Session of the Supreme Soviet on 31 October 1939, Molotov analyzed the international situation, thus giving the direction for communist propaganda. According to Molotov, Germany had a legitimate interest in regaining its position as a great power, and the Allies had started an aggressive war in order to maintain the Versailles system.[218]
What exactly do you consider an alliance? So you think that you have to be best buds or something to materially support each other?