The arresting officer should be charged with Child Abuse.
We must end Qualified Immunity.
No charges, of course. Dennis Turner was only fired, which means his ‘punishment’ was enduring orientation as a new hire at whatever police department pays him now.
not end it
apply it the way it was meant to be applied
Your comment makes no sense.
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with charging someone with a crime.
What do you think they are qualified to be immune from?
Qualified immunity deals with civil lawsuits and not criminal charges.
Often the civil lawsuits are about alleging that an officer committed a crime and a judge has to determine whether that’s the case. The officer is usually represented by a police union who usually invoke Qualified Immunity to absolve the officer i.e. there was probable cause for their actions.
That is incorrect. Civil and criminal are separate sections of the law. They had different rules and procedures.
Also incorrect. The union does not represent the officer in court. The union is not a lawyer. Probable cause is not relevant to qualified immunity and is only relevant in civil court. Immunity is not just for police officers. It is for every government employee. Police have more protection than most other government employees but less than judges, prosecutors, etc.
Personally, I think they should all lose it but in return, it means fewer cases will be prosecuted. The courts will just reject most of the cases since they won’t have the staffing to deal with every case.
Admittedly, my legalese isn’t great. However, I wasn’t implying that the union itself represents the officer, just that they provide support in that aspect. I know it’s for all government officials, the focus here was on the police so I stuck with that.
I agree on the last part. Often it feels like government officials are above the law.
They provide moral support. They also provide support for policy violations. (Not a civil or criminal court but internal disputes)
For some reason, many people think it is a get-out-of-jail card. It isn’t. It has nothing to do with criminal liability. It is only civil liability.
I get why the judges put it in place. You can’t have a cop sued whenever he makes a minor mistake. The issue, though, is it has turned into a blanket immunity even when they did something so egregious they should be sued.
I was in law enforcement for years. I want to see a reform of the system as we deserve better.
The responses and downvotes are making me chuckle. How dare you understand and explain what ‘qualified immunity’ is and how it works, to people who don’t.
It is a pet peeve of mine when people don’t understand what they want to change.
Qualified immunity isn’t as big a deal as people think. While it needs to be changed, it isn’t why cops are not convicted of crimes.
Cops are rarely convicted of crimes (in my opinion) because cop crimes rarely come to court. Even when there’s prosecution, everyone — judge, jury, prosecutors, defense, witnesses, certainly any reporters — walks in with a background of respect and admiration for police. They watched Hawaii Five-O and all the iterations of Law & Order, and listened to hysterical Republicans screaming about crime, and watched channel 7’s coverage of cops heroically hunting for some axe murderer on the subway. Everyone comes to the courtroom eager to give cops the benefit of every doubt.
It takes a truly egregious cop-crime and some sharp lawyering to get past the lifelong-ingrained “Cops are always the good guys” belief.
And of course, ‘qualified immunity’ has nothing to do with anything in criminal court.
The laws are written to give cops the ability to do their job. This is a good thing if you had good cops. The downside is when you have a bad cop since the same law will protect the cop. What is reasonable force? The force another officer would use in the same situation. How much force can you use? Enough to make an arrest, as such a refusal to comply, the next step can be a cop using a taser and taking you into custody. On paper, that sounds good until you see it used in the real world, where a 90 year old woman is tased over something trivial. It is an excuse to use force when a few minutes of conversation could have settled the matter or an ego check could have solved the issue.
Basically, you can’t charge a cop when they are complying with the law and the law gives broad rights to make an arrest and the amount of force used to make an arrest is broad as well.
It’s why I support reform. I see too much punching over stupid shit. I would rather see less physical striking and more joint manipulation. Punching to the face should be considered deadly force. Distraction strikes are supposed to be hits to distract the person and not beat the shit out of them. We needs cop who can think and say, he littered, should I beat him into submission over that?
Best part of the article, it did not once name the cop.
But it had no problem sharing the name of the family.
Cop’s name is Dennis Turner.
Dennis Turner, the cop who arrested a 6 year old girl?
Say it enough so SEO/Google picks up on it
You mean Dennis Turner, the cop who zip tied and arrested a six year old child? The same child who now has PTSD because of Dennis Turner?
Dennis Turner physically abused a small child. Dennis Turner likes to touch children inappropriately. Dennis Turner feels no remorse for terrorizing school kids. Dennis Turner is a threat to young boys and girls.
I’m not sure google bombs work anymore but I do know that Dennis Turner was so shit at his job and had such little humanity left after his training, that he thought putting a 6 year old in zip ties was the best way to handle her.
While I’m here, let me toss another search result for the murderer Philip Brailsford, who now has a comfy monthly pension as a result of murdering an unarmed drunk man who was laying face down pleading for his life, because the man reached to pull up his pants, which were falling down due to the sadistic game of simon says he was made to perform for the murderer Philip Brailsford and other police on the scene.
Wtf is going in florida
The usual.
Florida gets more news because sunshine laws makes it so that essentially all police encounters are public information, and is easily one of the best ways to get clickbait for articles.
It’s important to note that DeSantis is intentionally skirting sunshine laws as a pattern and practice
This point is made each time Florida gets up to something nutty. Thing is though that these laws do not mean that this shit doesn’t happen. It’s not a law to create fiction, the laws make actual events public. People should stop citing these laws as reasons the news isn’t so bad.
never claimed it wasn’t. it can happen everywhere, its just in Florida its made public.
Wtf is going in florida
Rising fascism.
Ask me about Texas next.
Did the grown adult cop consider putting their adult-sized knee on this 6yo’s neck to zip-tie them?
Name the cop
Don’t just name them, check their hard drive too. This sounds like something they did because they wanted to, not because it was warranted in any way.
What the fuck, this is horrible. The bodycam video was heartbreaking. That poor child was terrified!
Do we see this shit outside of america?
Police zip tying small children? fuck no!
Maybe a loose fit for this particular case, but something to be aware of for people who haven’t heard of it. After you are, you notice it over and over.
I got to the punching a 12 year old in the head and left, America needs to get it’s shit together.
Problem is about half the country either doesn’t believe this problem exists at all, or doesn’t want anyone to learn about it because learning about how we treat black folks might make white kids feel bad about themselves.
Belongs on the sidebar — thanks. :)
FYI Sidebar link to this seems broken - I noticed only because I went looking for an easy link and didn’t want to have to dig out this comment lol. :-)
Is the error message “This Deployment has been disabled”?
Yes!
Thanks. I’ve been getting that message at that site for days. Thought it was just me…
The original links are still good FWIW.
All fixed, thanks again. :)
Another region locked article :( can’t view in Europe
I think all you need is the headline, nothing in the article would be relevant to somewhere with freedom and common sense.
Click the archived page.
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The fuck is wrong with you?
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Therapy.
You don’t know anything about children. You seem to live in some kind of boogieman world where you think a 6-year-old legitimately wants to kill a ton of people, and you’re comparing that to a 6-year-old who was throwing a temper tantrum. If we did live in a world like that, you would have heard of a 6-year-old shooting a place up. But you haven’t, and a basic, layman’s understanding of child psychology and development is why.
And nobody should have to break down the actual reality of any of these subjects for you— it’s a waste of time and sanity on a person who only argues in bad faith.
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A child got ahold of a gun and shot edit: someone. Children any age 2 and up get ahold of guns and shoot siblings, parents, and other kids sometimes. I don’t think your question of “do we arrest them and throw them in jail like the evil little criminals they are” is the gotcha that you think it is.
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Who the kid shot makes no difference to the argument.
