Italy’s far-right prime minister has said she will not allow the country to become “Europe’s refugee camp”, after thousands of people seeking refuge landed on its shores, prompting France to tighten controls at its border with Italy.

Giorgia Meloni told the UN general assembly in New York that the huge numbers arriving in Lampedusa, a tiny Sicilian island that for years has been the first port of call for people crossing a perilous stretch of the Mediterranean Sea from north Africa, had placed Italy “under incredible pressure”.

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    How did Europe create the problem? I don’t think you can just blame their border-drawing past for all of today’s issues.

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      Bombed Gaddafi out of power, leaving power vacuum and destruction that has transformed a once stable country into a failed state riled by civil war after civil since. This was just a bit over ten years ago. I’m saying this while being no fan of Gaddafi.

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        The man had literal rape rooms in his palace, but that doesn’t mean you bomb the shit out of the country and just hope it works itself out.

        Or if you do, don’t complain about the refugees…

        Especially when you’re fuckin Italy and it was one of your colonies.

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          your fascist fucking grandpa is literally Mussolini

          That’s not Meloni, I think you might be confusing her with Alessandra Mussolini. Even then, I don’t think it’s fair to hold people accountable for the actions of their ancestors, even when said ancestors are dictators such as “literally Mussolini”.

          and it’s one of his old colonies

          If anything what made the country so destabilized, ultimately leading to Gaddafi’s rise, was the “liberation” (read as neocolonialism) brought by the British. A similar fate happened to all the other former Italian colonies such as Ethiopia, Somalia and Eritrea.

          I’m all for the right of self determination of people and decolonization was a traumatic process for many African countries (think of French Algeria for one), but it’s probably not a coincidence that all of those territories are now failed or war torn states. A smoother and more democratic process after WW2 might probably have helped the regions, but it’s not fair to blame Italy for it’s lack.

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            Yeah I realized I was getting my Italian fascist leaders mixed up as I commented, but I maintain that Italy has been fucking with Libya since it was Carthage so they can shut the hell up regardless of the British sticking their fingers in the pie.

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            Italy like all Eurostates wanted colonies and more land, that’s it.

            And when you learn nothing from the actions of your ancestors it’s ok to blame them

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        I’m saying this while being no fan of Gaddafi.

        As well you fucking shouldn’t be since you didn’t live under Gadaffis rule. In fact, I don’t think you know the first damn thing as to what the hell you’re talking about.

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          Calm down. Try to argue with logic and reason instead of blind emotion.

          It makes you seem more credible and less of a nonce.

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            The man was a ruthless murderer and here you have a guy saying Libyans were better off with the man.

            I frankly don’t give a damn how I come across when I confront defenders of evil.

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              That’s okay. Rational people will just have to take what you say with a grain of salt because you prefer to argue with emotion over reason.

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                Lmao, what a fantasy. How do you think your ‘rational’ people would respond if you’d defend the Holocaust and Hitlers actions?

                Calm, collected, and respectful, of course, the way you’d prefer it, no doubt. You’re barking up the wrong tree here, buddy.

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                  Yeah, they would.

                  As soon as you let emotion dictate your argument, you lose all credibility to rational people. You’re not thinking clearly and won’t make rational decisions because you can’t control your emotions.

                  You’re barking up the wrong tree here, buddy.

                  I’m not here to please you. Lol.

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                    It’s an expression.

                    But well, it’s good to know that you have such an understanding attitude to nazis, but don’t think you’re talking for ‘rational people’ when you think politics and emotions are completely detached. It just means you don’t understand the fundamentals of politics.