Well… I’m no centrist. Sorry if my point about Macron let you think I was happy about it.
I also think any idea can be used/usurped to oppress, paradoxically including leftism. Authoritarian socialism is unfortunately what most Americans associate with leftism.
The comment about Macron didn’t leave me thinking you had a positive impression of him, but thinking citing Stalin as left-wing did (incorrectly it seems).
Those regimes were absolutely founded in a corruption of leftist values, but wound up in a state that bore no resemblance to leftism. Yes, most Americans think the USSR and China are left-wing, but by just about any serious definition of the term, they’re wrong.
It’s not that any of those regimes ended up left wing, it is that they STARTED on the left and supported by majorities of leftists.
It’s almost like handing vast amounts of political power to one extreme and eliminating meaningful opposition inevitably leads to death, destruction, instability, the rise of cults of personality, and fascism…but IDK. 🤷♂️
Right left and center have nothing to do with the bad outcomes, it really comes down to whether people believe the ends justify the means or are willing to accept checks on political power that might slow progress but ultimately prevent governments from being used as weapons.
The issue is most of you tankies think socialism is something that magically will not lead to what is the CCP or USSR… you’re delusional to think that power doesn’t corrupt.
There’s more than one way to run the system. The Six nations managed a very communist society for 15,000 years before white man killed off 90% of them with diseases. They had a council of grandmothers, and their constitution (much of which the founding fathers blatantly plagiarized) started with the rule that no law could be made that didn’t directly benefit all of the next 7 generations of children. They weren’t Marxist or Trotskyist, but they were definitely communist/socialist. They barely had commerce, and lived with an excess of wealth even by today’s standards, their medical care was somewhat lacking, but they still had decent medicine all things considered.
Well… I’m no centrist. Sorry if my point about Macron let you think I was happy about it.
I also think any idea can be used/usurped to oppress, paradoxically including leftism. Authoritarian socialism is unfortunately what most Americans associate with leftism.
The comment about Macron didn’t leave me thinking you had a positive impression of him, but thinking citing Stalin as left-wing did (incorrectly it seems).
Those regimes were absolutely founded in a corruption of leftist values, but wound up in a state that bore no resemblance to leftism. Yes, most Americans think the USSR and China are left-wing, but by just about any serious definition of the term, they’re wrong.
It’s not that any of those regimes ended up left wing, it is that they STARTED on the left and supported by majorities of leftists.
It’s almost like handing vast amounts of political power to one extreme and eliminating meaningful opposition inevitably leads to death, destruction, instability, the rise of cults of personality, and fascism…but IDK. 🤷♂️
Right left and center have nothing to do with the bad outcomes, it really comes down to whether people believe the ends justify the means or are willing to accept checks on political power that might slow progress but ultimately prevent governments from being used as weapons.
The issue is most of you tankies think socialism is something that magically will not lead to what is the CCP or USSR… you’re delusional to think that power doesn’t corrupt.
There’s more than one way to run the system. The Six nations managed a very communist society for 15,000 years before white man killed off 90% of them with diseases. They had a council of grandmothers, and their constitution (much of which the founding fathers blatantly plagiarized) started with the rule that no law could be made that didn’t directly benefit all of the next 7 generations of children. They weren’t Marxist or Trotskyist, but they were definitely communist/socialist. They barely had commerce, and lived with an excess of wealth even by today’s standards, their medical care was somewhat lacking, but they still had decent medicine all things considered.