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Cake day: June 23rd, 2023

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  • I think that I’d be a bit dubious that they’re really doing all they can, but it is what it is.

    In my first year of transitioning to veganism, I went vegetarian. I definitely knew going vegan was the right thing to do, but I was also worried about it being too hard and me just quitting, saying fuck it, and going back to pretending that there wasn’t anything wrong with eating flesh.

    Was I really doing all I could in that year, even though I knew the right thing to do and still didn’t do it? I honestly don’t know.

    Then again, it’s people like you who were much more committed than I was that helped push me to actually become vegan. So while I want to give people the benefit of the doubt, I also don’t want to be someone that doesn’t hold them accountable at all.


  • While this is a nirvana fallacy it has got me thinking these last couple months as to what the limit of individual responsibility is.

    Personal responsibility is tied to agency, so it’s going to look different for every person. Do what’s practicably in your power; what that looks like is ultimately up to you. If you can do more, you should, however its not always apparent if and when doing more is sustainable for ourselves.

    Personally, I worry less about derivative animal products that couldn’t exist without mass animal agriculture propping them up. I’ll obviously do what I can when it’s readily apparent, and I’ll try to generally stay informed, but there’s also a limit to how much time and mental effort I can spend on every tiny detail of my life.

    Also, if you come across something surprising that might commonly be overlooked (like tires), share it! You’ll be doing more good than just abstaining yourself by raising awareness.


  • Money is kinda important when running a political campaign. Now that the floodgates are open, it’d be shooting yourself in the foot not to use it, even if it’s not the “right thing to do”. Is it somewhat ironic that one needs to accept dark money to have a chance at ending it? Absolutely. But that’s simply the reality of the situation now.

    How about we save the cries of “Hypocrite!” until she has the opportunity to end it, yet still doesn’t.






  • I’ve noticed a pattern with this sort of thing, that when people are complicit in systems that they benefit from, they’ll put forward arguments they don’t really believe in because they’re obligated to by their own cognitive dissonance. I was first introduced to a term for this pattern of behavior by PhilosophyTube: a phantasm.

    It’s a way of organizing feelings, selective observations and misrepresentations. A way of intepreting the world that also does things to the person using it.

    Okay, that’s a bit vague. The video essay goes on to provide some cohesive examples, but if I could try to summarize it:

    A phantasm is a self propagating system of incoherent beliefs that a person generates to willingly deceive themselves about their own complicity in systemic oppression of others in order to alleviate cognitive dissonance and maintain the belief that they are a “good” person.

    I’ve seen this behavior most notably in alt-right, anti-vax, and conspiracy theorist types, but I’ve also seen it a lot with anti-vegans.

    One of the main symptoms of this self deception is to blindly parrot bad arguments that perpetuate their own deception, even when they don’t believe their own arguments are coherent.

    I think, sometimes, depending on the severity of the phantasm, this behavior can also be a search for a refutation. Part of them might want to reject the phantasm, and given sufficiently well gounded arguments and/or evidence, some people are capable of rejecting the phantasm.

    In any case, I think there’s a lot more going on psychologically than simple willful bad faith. Phantasms are incredibly hard to dislodge when people are emotionally invested in maintaining them, and I don’t have a good answer about the correct approach, or even if there is any sort of generalized right way. It may well be that every single instance requires a unique solution.


  • That’s honestly an excellent sanity check on the poll. I did take a brief look at the methodology table, and there were some interesting numbers in there:

    [Polled respondent reported political affiliation:]

    Republican: 1603
    Independent: 1544
    Democrat: 1720
    Other/Don’t know: 485

    As an outside observer, whenever I’ve watched US elections, it’s never been obvious that there have been that many independent voters. It did make me wonder if these are mostly strategic voters who shift their allegiance on election day, or if the MSM simply never accurately conveys just how many independent voters there are.



  • I think either you’re misunderstanding the data, or I am, because it does indeed seem to be 24% of Republicans according to the source:

    Most Americans (81%) disagree with the statement, “if Donald Trump is not confirmed as the winner of the 2024 election, he should declare the results invalid and do whatever it takes to assume his rightful place as president,” compared with 14% who agree.

    Around one-quarter of Republicans (24%) agree with the statement, compared with 13% of independents and only 5% of Democrats who say the same. Republicans who hold a favorable view of Trump are more likely to agree than Republicans who hold an unfavorable view of him (29% vs. 6%).

    If the 24% was the portion of Republicans out of the 14% who agreed, who would the other 76% be?