The Israeli government is responding after celebrities including Billie Eilish and Mark Ruffalo sported red pins at the Oscars, which they believe symbolizes "bloodlust."
So you are citing a Fox News article, so that’s -1 off the bat.
The article itself did not properly tie the celebrities to the lynching.
The article talks about how Israelis consider the pin to be associated with an event in 2002. That involved 2 victims. Which is not only a stretch, but even if it were true, still does not mean the celebrities would be in on its secret meaning.
Honestly, i feel no matter the symbol that was chosen i am sure that there would be some connection made to discredit their actual motivation, which is to pressure a cease fire. Which is objectively moral.
Also even if it was true, the assertion that wearing the pin makes one an antisemite is false because Israel is not the Jewish people. You cannot blame all Jews for the war crimes of Israel, and Israel cannot frame criticism against it as antisemitism.
he article talks about how Israelis consider the pin to be associated with an event in 2002. That involved 2 victims. Which is not only a stretch, but even if it were true, still does not mean the celebrities would be in on its secret meaning.
I don’t know. When i look it up i see reporting that it was made by the group Artists4ceasefire. This is a group that consists of a large amount of actors and other entertainment personalities who signed an open letter demanding Biden push for a cease fire in 2023. So they made the pin sometime after that.
Is it your implication that because it was made after the murders in 2002 that means it’s connected, because if so you have failed to justify the connection.
“The Artists4Ceasefire enamel pin is composed of a red background to symbolize the urgency of the call to save lives,” the website said. “The orange hand conveys the beautiful community of people from all backgrounds that have come together in support of centering our shared humanity. The heart being cradled in the center of the hand is an invitation for us to lead with our hearts, always, to lead with love. When we lead with love, we understand that all of our fellow beings deserve to be loved and protected.”
Again, no matter what symbol they used, someone with an agenda can interpret to mean something that it was not intended in order to further that agenda. And the only people making that claim here has an agenda. Again even if you were right and the creator secretly intended to connect the two, you have to be able to prove that the participants were in on it. Which no one even attempted to do.
Is it your implication that because it was made after the murders in 2002 that means it’s connected, because if so you have failed to justify the connection.
I don’t really have a strong opinion. I post articles that have think are worthy of conversation. They don’t always reflect my views or opinions. I don’t like echo chambers.
The symbol appears to be tied to the murder of two Israeli soldiers. It seems to represent the genocide of the Jews.
It’s like the confederate flag. It may mean something good to someone else but it’s so tied to hate, you shouldn’t display it without knowing most people won’t perceive it well.
Based on your previous points in this very thread, you are invested in this article. Either way i have not addressed you really in my posts other than to tell you to choose your sources more carefully.
When one makes a claim that some group is secretly advocating for something immoral, as an argument to discredit their stated intention, the accuser has the burden of proof, not the group.
Even IF it was tied to pride for the murders in 2002 that doesn’t connect it advocating genocide. But you haven’t even got that far as you have to establish intent first.
And when comparing the pin to flying the confederate flag. There is no question as to its meaning. The confederacy was a secessionist movement whose reason for being was to specifically preserve the states rights to enforce slavery. That flag is their standard and its meaning was no secret when the confederacy used it as such.
Based on your previous points in this very thread, you are invested in this article. Either way i have not addressed you really in my posts other than to tell you to choose your sources more carefully.
This source is fine. We use conservative sources for our articles. You are free to cite a competing source for a liberal bias.
ven IF it was tied to pride for the murders in 2002 that doesn’t connect it advocating genocide.
It is tied to killing jews. That is genocide. That is the open goal of hamas.
There is no question as to its meaning.
Says you, I see as a flag of the Democrats. When I see the flag I know it represents racism because it is tied to the Democrats.
There is a difference between a good conservative source, and Fox News. Just because it is a conservative source does not mean it holds up to scrutiny, and Fox News consistently has trouble aligning with neutral fact. I wouldn’t source TYT or who ever makes left leaning rags to prove my points.
There was also not allot of counter left leaning articles on this because the Fox News article never established what it needed to in order to justify its claims. News articles report news, not squabble with unproven points of their rivals.
As for the meaning of the confederate flag, what i stated is fact about its meaning. And wile the circle encompassing democrats at the time and the confederacy are probably nearly eclipsed they do not fully encompass each other. There are those who were pro slavery who still considered succession a terrible idea, and so are not attributed to the confederacy. The difference between them is intent, which is clear.
Also bringing up the confederacy being tied to democrats seems to me like an attempted segway out of the current topic. One used often to attempt to delegitimize democrats as hypocrites or to secretly hate the very people they promote. No Democrat alive today was a participant in politics during the civil war. And it would be foolish to claim current democrats stand for the same things as the confederacy.
Just because it is a conservative source does not mean it holds up to scrutiny
It also means it does hold up as well.
Also bringing up the confederacy being tied to democrats seems to me like an attempted segway out of the current topic.
Not at all but is shows symbols mean different things. I wouldn’t fly the battle flag because 1. It’s not my thing. 2. It is the flag of the Democrats. 3. Even if it once was an anti-government meme, it’s now a symbol of hate.
No Democrat alive today was a participant in politics during the civil war.
But their politics are still the same racist politics as before.
It’s like the blood hand pin. What does it really mean, and should people be wearing it if it’s tied to the genocide of the Jews? I would say no.
So a symbol is celebrated, and lynching isn’t about lynching. Gotcha.
So you are citing a Fox News article, so that’s -1 off the bat.
The article itself did not properly tie the celebrities to the lynching.
The article talks about how Israelis consider the pin to be associated with an event in 2002. That involved 2 victims. Which is not only a stretch, but even if it were true, still does not mean the celebrities would be in on its secret meaning.
Honestly, i feel no matter the symbol that was chosen i am sure that there would be some connection made to discredit their actual motivation, which is to pressure a cease fire. Which is objectively moral.
Also even if it was true, the assertion that wearing the pin makes one an antisemite is false because Israel is not the Jewish people. You cannot blame all Jews for the war crimes of Israel, and Israel cannot frame criticism against it as antisemitism.
Find a better media diet.
Remember if you are a leftist…“Always question the source and never examine the facts if it conflicts with the narrative”
Is that what i did? Here are the facts: Artists4ceasefire during the Oscar’s used their collective voice to call for a cease fire.
They wore a red pin to show solidarity to this message.
Fox News reports that there are people who believe that the pin represents a double murder in 2002 by a mob.
Artists4ceasefire gives its meaning for the pin on there site, that does not connect it to the 2002 murders.
That is all. There is no connection established, and fox news insinuating there is one requires them to prove it. Which they did not do
Does the pin predate that event?
I don’t know. When i look it up i see reporting that it was made by the group Artists4ceasefire. This is a group that consists of a large amount of actors and other entertainment personalities who signed an open letter demanding Biden push for a cease fire in 2023. So they made the pin sometime after that.
Is it your implication that because it was made after the murders in 2002 that means it’s connected, because if so you have failed to justify the connection.
“The Artists4Ceasefire enamel pin is composed of a red background to symbolize the urgency of the call to save lives,” the website said. “The orange hand conveys the beautiful community of people from all backgrounds that have come together in support of centering our shared humanity. The heart being cradled in the center of the hand is an invitation for us to lead with our hearts, always, to lead with love. When we lead with love, we understand that all of our fellow beings deserve to be loved and protected.”
Again, no matter what symbol they used, someone with an agenda can interpret to mean something that it was not intended in order to further that agenda. And the only people making that claim here has an agenda. Again even if you were right and the creator secretly intended to connect the two, you have to be able to prove that the participants were in on it. Which no one even attempted to do.
I don’t really have a strong opinion. I post articles that have think are worthy of conversation. They don’t always reflect my views or opinions. I don’t like echo chambers.
The symbol appears to be tied to the murder of two Israeli soldiers. It seems to represent the genocide of the Jews.
It’s like the confederate flag. It may mean something good to someone else but it’s so tied to hate, you shouldn’t display it without knowing most people won’t perceive it well.
Based on your previous points in this very thread, you are invested in this article. Either way i have not addressed you really in my posts other than to tell you to choose your sources more carefully.
When one makes a claim that some group is secretly advocating for something immoral, as an argument to discredit their stated intention, the accuser has the burden of proof, not the group.
Even IF it was tied to pride for the murders in 2002 that doesn’t connect it advocating genocide. But you haven’t even got that far as you have to establish intent first.
And when comparing the pin to flying the confederate flag. There is no question as to its meaning. The confederacy was a secessionist movement whose reason for being was to specifically preserve the states rights to enforce slavery. That flag is their standard and its meaning was no secret when the confederacy used it as such.
There is no comparison
This source is fine. We use conservative sources for our articles. You are free to cite a competing source for a liberal bias.
Says you, I see as a flag of the Democrats. When I see the flag I know it represents racism because it is tied to the Democrats.
There is a difference between a good conservative source, and Fox News. Just because it is a conservative source does not mean it holds up to scrutiny, and Fox News consistently has trouble aligning with neutral fact. I wouldn’t source TYT or who ever makes left leaning rags to prove my points.
There was also not allot of counter left leaning articles on this because the Fox News article never established what it needed to in order to justify its claims. News articles report news, not squabble with unproven points of their rivals.
As for the meaning of the confederate flag, what i stated is fact about its meaning. And wile the circle encompassing democrats at the time and the confederacy are probably nearly eclipsed they do not fully encompass each other. There are those who were pro slavery who still considered succession a terrible idea, and so are not attributed to the confederacy. The difference between them is intent, which is clear.
Also bringing up the confederacy being tied to democrats seems to me like an attempted segway out of the current topic. One used often to attempt to delegitimize democrats as hypocrites or to secretly hate the very people they promote. No Democrat alive today was a participant in politics during the civil war. And it would be foolish to claim current democrats stand for the same things as the confederacy.
And just so you know, i am not a democrat.
Not at all but is shows symbols mean different things. I wouldn’t fly the battle flag because 1. It’s not my thing. 2. It is the flag of the Democrats. 3. Even if it once was an anti-government meme, it’s now a symbol of hate.
It’s like the blood hand pin. What does it really mean, and should people be wearing it if it’s tied to the genocide of the Jews? I would say no.