He also is. But if he never acts upon those desires, people will never know. It’s between him and God. The sin is not having those desires, but acting upon them.
I’ve literally repeated myself and explained it several times already. It seems to me like you’re just trolling here. I know there is a difference between a gay man and the act of gay sex. You are saying being gay has to do with desires which I agree. But in society, someone isn’t labeled gay until they’ve actually done the deed. Internally they may have desires for the same sex, which they should seek help in getting rid of, but as long as they keep it to themselves then they aren’t harming society and no one would know if they are gay or not. Your actions define who you are, not your feelings.
Not everything has to do with your religion.
Yes it does, Religion dictates your life. It is where you get your morals and values from. If you don’t have any foundation, what morality and ethics can you impose on others?
I’m asking over and over again because you keep contradicting yourself, so I’m trying to get a concrete definition from you.
Just tell me what you think a homosexual person is. Is it someone pretending to be interested in the same sex? Can a person actually be attracted to the same sex or is it just something they’re “tricked” into?
Religion dictates YOUR life. The same way I don’t push my anti-theism on you, I don’t think you should push religion on others.
Ok. My definition of a homosexual person is someone who does sexual activities with the same gender and/or has desires for the same gender. Plain and simple.
How these desires form is a different question because they can be developed through personal experiences as I mentioned before.
Can a person actually be attracted to the same sex?
Yes.
Can they be tricked into it?
Also Yes.
You must also have a religion. If you are atheist, then where do you get your morals and values from? It can’t just come from a vacuum. What is your purpose in life?
That’s also a different definition than what you said earlier. Earlier you said it was a choice only. Now you’re saying it’s something that can be internal and part of a person. Do you see why I’m having trouble having a conversation with you?
I get my morals from thinking about things - what I think does the best for the most people. Being homosexual hurts no one so it’s morally okay with me.
Where do you get yours from? It sounds like you just chose the simplest, easiest option instead of choosing to think about your own actions and the morals that guide them.
No I don’t know why you’re having trouble because you can’t seem to wrap your head around a very simple concept. That desires can developed, you don’t have to be born with it.
Being homosexual hurts no one so it’s morally okay with me.
That’s not true, HIV/AIDs and other STDs are significantly more likely to be contracted through homosexual activites. Which in turn, harms everyone in the broader society. Plus if their behaviors are normalized more people will likely engage in them as well.
I get my morals from thinking about things
How is that working out for you? You can’t claim to have all the answers and are still discovering and learning things so your beliefs now might not be the same 10 or 20 years later. Logic isn’t always rational. Because your logic can be different from my logic. You can have both sides to an argument where both have logical points to make. There is no ultimate answer in that case.
I get my morals and values from the Quran and the Prophetic teachings of Muhammad (ﷺ).
It sounds like you just chose the simplest, easiest option instead of choosing to think about your own actions and the morals that guide them.
I don’t blindly follow anything I read. The reason I chose to be a devout Muslim is because it was the only religion where their sacred text has been preserved from its inception due to factors like how hundreds of millions of Muslims have memorized the Quran by heart from the time of the Prophet (ﷺ) until today. Another factor is how Quranic manuscripts carbon date back to the time of the Prophet (ﷺ) as well. All other religions have different versions of their texts like the Bible, Torah, Vedas nor do they have any concrete evidence for their preservation.
Of course preservation does not mandate that it is from God but it is the first step to identifying what is man-made and what is divine and pushes us closer to finding the true religion and meaning/purpose in life.
I’m happy to go more in depth and explain further.
Being gay doesn’t mean you have HIV or AIDs. That’s just your bigotry showing.
You don’t blindly follow what you read, but you think being gay is wrong with no critical thought put into it… Lmfao, okay.
Yeah, your not going to prove your religion is real by saying a bunch of people believe it. That’s an appeal to popularity and is a logical fallacy. This is what I mean when I say you aren’t thinking of things critically. You’re repeating religious talking points that don’t actually give you support.
Just because a book is old doesn’t mean it’s true. Should Harry Potter be considered a historical document in 300 years? 400? How old does a book have to be for it to be considered fact? Just old enough for people to not know who actually wrote it right?
So a person who is sexually attracted to the same sex isn’t gay?
He also is. But if he never acts upon those desires, people will never know. It’s between him and God. The sin is not having those desires, but acting upon them.
So then being gay is about attraction?
You’re saying contradicting stuff here.
You understand there is a difference between a gay man and the act of gay sex right? Not everything has to do with your religion.
I’ve literally repeated myself and explained it several times already. It seems to me like you’re just trolling here. I know there is a difference between a gay man and the act of gay sex. You are saying being gay has to do with desires which I agree. But in society, someone isn’t labeled gay until they’ve actually done the deed. Internally they may have desires for the same sex, which they should seek help in getting rid of, but as long as they keep it to themselves then they aren’t harming society and no one would know if they are gay or not. Your actions define who you are, not your feelings.
Yes it does, Religion dictates your life. It is where you get your morals and values from. If you don’t have any foundation, what morality and ethics can you impose on others?
I’m asking over and over again because you keep contradicting yourself, so I’m trying to get a concrete definition from you.
Just tell me what you think a homosexual person is. Is it someone pretending to be interested in the same sex? Can a person actually be attracted to the same sex or is it just something they’re “tricked” into?
Religion dictates YOUR life. The same way I don’t push my anti-theism on you, I don’t think you should push religion on others.
Ok. My definition of a homosexual person is someone who does sexual activities with the same gender and/or has desires for the same gender. Plain and simple.
How these desires form is a different question because they can be developed through personal experiences as I mentioned before.
Can a person actually be attracted to the same sex? Yes.
Can they be tricked into it? Also Yes.
You must also have a religion. If you are atheist, then where do you get your morals and values from? It can’t just come from a vacuum. What is your purpose in life?
I’m anti-theist, not atheist.
That’s also a different definition than what you said earlier. Earlier you said it was a choice only. Now you’re saying it’s something that can be internal and part of a person. Do you see why I’m having trouble having a conversation with you?
I get my morals from thinking about things - what I think does the best for the most people. Being homosexual hurts no one so it’s morally okay with me.
Where do you get yours from? It sounds like you just chose the simplest, easiest option instead of choosing to think about your own actions and the morals that guide them.
No I don’t know why you’re having trouble because you can’t seem to wrap your head around a very simple concept. That desires can developed, you don’t have to be born with it.
That’s not true, HIV/AIDs and other STDs are significantly more likely to be contracted through homosexual activites. Which in turn, harms everyone in the broader society. Plus if their behaviors are normalized more people will likely engage in them as well.
How is that working out for you? You can’t claim to have all the answers and are still discovering and learning things so your beliefs now might not be the same 10 or 20 years later. Logic isn’t always rational. Because your logic can be different from my logic. You can have both sides to an argument where both have logical points to make. There is no ultimate answer in that case.
I get my morals and values from the Quran and the Prophetic teachings of Muhammad (ﷺ).
I don’t blindly follow anything I read. The reason I chose to be a devout Muslim is because it was the only religion where their sacred text has been preserved from its inception due to factors like how hundreds of millions of Muslims have memorized the Quran by heart from the time of the Prophet (ﷺ) until today. Another factor is how Quranic manuscripts carbon date back to the time of the Prophet (ﷺ) as well. All other religions have different versions of their texts like the Bible, Torah, Vedas nor do they have any concrete evidence for their preservation.
Of course preservation does not mandate that it is from God but it is the first step to identifying what is man-made and what is divine and pushes us closer to finding the true religion and meaning/purpose in life.
I’m happy to go more in depth and explain further.
Being gay doesn’t mean you have HIV or AIDs. That’s just your bigotry showing.
You don’t blindly follow what you read, but you think being gay is wrong with no critical thought put into it… Lmfao, okay.
Yeah, your not going to prove your religion is real by saying a bunch of people believe it. That’s an appeal to popularity and is a logical fallacy. This is what I mean when I say you aren’t thinking of things critically. You’re repeating religious talking points that don’t actually give you support.
Just because a book is old doesn’t mean it’s true. Should Harry Potter be considered a historical document in 300 years? 400? How old does a book have to be for it to be considered fact? Just old enough for people to not know who actually wrote it right?