• NeuromancerOPM
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    It doesn’t refute that at all. CEO pay is a fraction of total cost. It isn’t the reason why cost are going up and it’s illogical to come to that conciliation. United health group is an insurance provider. You’re confusing health insurance with medical care. Health insurance does not provide care. They pay the bills.

    Their revenue was 370 billion. 22 billion is about 8% profit which is slim.

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      I’m not confusing one for another, this entire exchange I’ve been talking about the industry at large. CEO pay was one focus, healthcare wages are another, insurance company profits are something else. It’s all part of the same system that exorbitantly overpriced and very ineffective for the cost.

      $370B = $370B from health expenses……paid by the insured (us).

      8% profit is still $22B. It may be slim compared to revenue but that’s $22B in profit made from citizens who often aren’t even getting the care they’re paying for.

      https://penncapital-star.com/uncategorized/americans-suffer-when-health-insurers-place-profits-over-people/

      Quantifying a qualitative product inevitably leads to a deterioration of the quality of the product.

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        2 months ago

        And what is your solution ? You just want to eliminate health insurance ?

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          No, I think we should limit the cost of drugs based solely on cost to manufacture and distribute, and pay those operational costs.

          I think we should expect to receive healthcare from medical professionals and pay them for their time and operational costs.

          I think private health insurance existing as an optional, supplemental option is a step in the correct direction.

          I think profiting off such a system is parasitic to our wellbeing and detrimental to the betterment of society.

          Ultimately we need to look at healthcare and education as an investment in our country’s well-being.

          A population that is healthy, educated and safe is a population that is happier, can fight off threats better and innovate more. A country that fails to produce an effective population is not a successful country for long.

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            No, I think we should limit the cost of drugs based solely on cost to manufacture and distribute, and pay those operational costs

            If we payed for the research. I agree. Otherwise companies will just spend less on research. I don’t mind capping margins unless they don’t enforce the patent.

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              Yeah research is part of the cost to manufacture cause you first need to know what you’re making hahaha.

              Margin-capping isn’t even something to consider when you don’t run it for profit. with wages for workers included in the cost to manufacture and distribute there’s no need to profit further.

              I think the people should own the means of production where it makes sense. Healthcare is an obvious example because it’s a service directly for us.

              People getting rich and making millions off the suffering of an unhealthy population is morally wrong.

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                If there is no profit, then nobody would make it.

                think the people should own the means of production where it makes sense.

                It never makes sense. You can do that now, but nobody does because it doesn’t make sense.

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                  If there is no profit, then nobody would make it.

                  You forgot the part where I said their pay is considered part of the cost to manufacture and distribute.

                  Non-profits have no problem staying staffed.

                  It absolutely makes sense for the people to own the mechanism that directly benefits their wellbeing, yes.

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                    Then why haven’t you started this business? Sounds like you have it all figured out