Not to undermine but plenty of people do actually like the work they do, that doesn’t change that they deserve to be paid for agreeing to do that work for you specifically.
A major issue is that a lot of jobs people do out of passion for the work are underpaid, if not outright looked down on, in contemporary society. Teachers, caretakers, artists and many other classes of professionals are exploited to work for severely suppressed wages due to their passion for what they do.
Yup, just my random tangential anecdote here, but I consider myself very lucky to have a decently paid job that allows me to work from home. I started fostering kittens a few years ago and have found myself quite passionate about it. The problem is that it takes lots of time and a good bit of money and is unpaid. The organization I volunteer for covers medical expenses, but everything else is coming out of my own pocket. I guess they technically offer to cover food, but it’s a lot of hassle (and frequent upset tummies and/or cats refusing to eat) to actually utilize their food supplies.
People have suggested that I get a job at the shelter or as a vet, so I could get paid to work with animals, but the work is totally different, likely pays less than my current job, and the in person nature of those jobs would severely limit my ability to continue fostering.
Thank you for fostering, that’s hard work. For what it’s worth the only people making good money in veterinary medicine are management and the veterinarians (and that can vary). Vet techs, assistants, receptionists, and kennel techs generally all make shit.
Also nurse to patient ratios. The one thing that’s been proven over and over and over to keep people alive and well but the c suite will never do it because your grandma falling out of bed and cracking her head because she was too scared of pissing herself to wait for help (then living the remainder of her life with a tbi and possibly incontinent anyway) is an acceptable rate of systems failure for a hospital admin (also they can just blame it on the nurse and hang us out to dry to cover their own ass).
I love learning about programmation, and it is definitely one of my passion. I still get paid a buttload more than teachers. The argument is fucking bullshit.
That is one factor, but there is another factor and I can tell you this as someone not working- it’s really boring having very little to do on a day-to-day basis.
Not that I’d ever work without being paid and I would much rather do WFH because I don’t really give a shit about the social aspect, but giving me shit to do every day would at least keep my mind occupied.
Tbh there are people who are never bored, because they have a strong intrinsic motivation to try new things or improve. Usually in things that arent jobs, like hobbies or volunteer work/clubs.
For example I would love to improve my programming, switch to linux, set up home server, learn how to lockpick, go climbing or pick up bodybuilding and build cardio, redecorate my home, maybe dive into streaming game-speedruns…
There are always more things. Once learning how to setup a server, there come more servers to learn about. After learning to program in one language, there come other languages and interesting programming projects etc. And along the way, you’ll hear about and discover other interesting hobbies to check out. Maybe learning how to lockpick and learning how to program combine to learning about hacking, or cyber security. It goes in and on. There are always more interesting things to learn if you’re curious.
Well maybe you never get bored, but I certainly do. And I’m far from alone there. Sure, there are always more interesting things to learn if you’re curious. There’s also only so much energy you can put into them. And if you devote a lot of your energy to one of them, it’s basically an unpaid job. Which is fine if that’s what makes you happy, but it’s still a job.
Boredom is good for someone. The brain hates it so it forces itself to be creative or do something. You have more energy if so much of it wasn’t dedicated to trying to work and suckle off of capitalism teat so you can survive. That is the thing when so much energy is focused on work you miss community/hobby work that is a healthier thing to build for one’s self for one’s overall happiness. If it costs less to live the more you can spend on hobbies which allows more hobbies to be livable jobs in your community
Not to undermine but plenty of people do actually like the work they do, that doesn’t change that they deserve to be paid for agreeing to do that work for you specifically.
A major issue is that a lot of jobs people do out of passion for the work are underpaid, if not outright looked down on, in contemporary society. Teachers, caretakers, artists and many other classes of professionals are exploited to work for severely suppressed wages due to their passion for what they do.
Yup, just my random tangential anecdote here, but I consider myself very lucky to have a decently paid job that allows me to work from home. I started fostering kittens a few years ago and have found myself quite passionate about it. The problem is that it takes lots of time and a good bit of money and is unpaid. The organization I volunteer for covers medical expenses, but everything else is coming out of my own pocket. I guess they technically offer to cover food, but it’s a lot of hassle (and frequent upset tummies and/or cats refusing to eat) to actually utilize their food supplies.
People have suggested that I get a job at the shelter or as a vet, so I could get paid to work with animals, but the work is totally different, likely pays less than my current job, and the in person nature of those jobs would severely limit my ability to continue fostering.
Thank you for fostering, that’s hard work. For what it’s worth the only people making good money in veterinary medicine are management and the veterinarians (and that can vary). Vet techs, assistants, receptionists, and kennel techs generally all make shit.
Hell, if you’re improving the world even well paying jobs pay shit unless it’s completely unglamorous
Also nurse to patient ratios. The one thing that’s been proven over and over and over to keep people alive and well but the c suite will never do it because your grandma falling out of bed and cracking her head because she was too scared of pissing herself to wait for help (then living the remainder of her life with a tbi and possibly incontinent anyway) is an acceptable rate of systems failure for a hospital admin (also they can just blame it on the nurse and hang us out to dry to cover their own ass).
“Being a teacher is not a profession, but a passion.” Heard that BS multiple times.
Also getting shocked looks when I answer “because of the good pay” when asked why I am a teacher. (Disclaimer, am not american)
I love learning about programmation, and it is definitely one of my passion. I still get paid a buttload more than teachers. The argument is fucking bullshit.
That is one factor, but there is another factor and I can tell you this as someone not working- it’s really boring having very little to do on a day-to-day basis.
Not that I’d ever work without being paid and I would much rather do WFH because I don’t really give a shit about the social aspect, but giving me shit to do every day would at least keep my mind occupied.
Tbh there are people who are never bored, because they have a strong intrinsic motivation to try new things or improve. Usually in things that arent jobs, like hobbies or volunteer work/clubs.
For example I would love to improve my programming, switch to linux, set up home server, learn how to lockpick, go climbing or pick up bodybuilding and build cardio, redecorate my home, maybe dive into streaming game-speedruns…
And when you were done with doing all of those things?
There are always more things. Once learning how to setup a server, there come more servers to learn about. After learning to program in one language, there come other languages and interesting programming projects etc. And along the way, you’ll hear about and discover other interesting hobbies to check out. Maybe learning how to lockpick and learning how to program combine to learning about hacking, or cyber security. It goes in and on. There are always more interesting things to learn if you’re curious.
I also am an endlessly curious person haha!
Well maybe you never get bored, but I certainly do. And I’m far from alone there. Sure, there are always more interesting things to learn if you’re curious. There’s also only so much energy you can put into them. And if you devote a lot of your energy to one of them, it’s basically an unpaid job. Which is fine if that’s what makes you happy, but it’s still a job.
Boredom is good for someone. The brain hates it so it forces itself to be creative or do something. You have more energy if so much of it wasn’t dedicated to trying to work and suckle off of capitalism teat so you can survive. That is the thing when so much energy is focused on work you miss community/hobby work that is a healthier thing to build for one’s self for one’s overall happiness. If it costs less to live the more you can spend on hobbies which allows more hobbies to be livable jobs in your community
I always get bored! That’s what drives me to explore and learn.
Boredom sparks new interests. You need to experience it to understand.
I’m suffering from a long-term serious illness where I’m not working. I think I’ve experienced boredom.
Yeah I like my job but I sure as fuck don’t like to enrich someone with it without receiving a fair compensation.
True, but if I didn’t have to work I’d be an engineer elsewhere. I’d work on community and personal projects