Man imagine literally admitting that “the other side are actual fascists” isn’t enough a reason alone for you to fall the fuck in line and still thinking you have any moral ground to stand on.
Big “Bridal Shower at a Gay Bar” kinda ally energy you’re bringing here.
Man imagine literally admitting that “the other side are actual fascists” isn’t enough a reason alone for you to fall the fuck in line and still thinking you have any moral ground to stand on.
No, no, it’s just that their morals are so STRONG that they can’t help but let fascists win.
I mean, I don’t think anyone should “fall in line” behind any of the Democrats. That’s part of the propaganda, is that they reframe something perfectly sensible (voting not to end democracy) as some emotionally resonant obedient thing that you have to fall in line behind the Democrats from now on, and vote for them no matter what, and in the meantime never criticize or disagree with them on anything, or even try to get concessions for your vote or do protests or anything else.
I mean, if that were the system, then they’d kind of have a point, even though in this election it would still be a good idea to fall the fuck in line behind the non fascist candidate. But I think at least at the rank and file level, the exact people who care enough to want to vote for Biden also care enough to, in a lot of cases, want to do direct protests and “uncommitted” votes and all that, because they care. It seems weird that the shills are so insistent that the system is either voting (and then agreeing with the Democrats on everything from then on), or doing the more-than-voting things that produce real change, which a lot of times a lot of the Democrat establishment itself kind of doesn’t want people doing.
(I mean – I’m aware that they don’t actually believe these things, and are just sort of tossing them out from their scripts, and also don’t care if people are poking holes in their logic, because the point is just to throw it all at the wall and hopefully some of sticks through sheer peer pressure. I think they don’t really care if we believe them, individually, either. I imagine it’s kind of like working in a call center; you just kind of type on a computer for a long time saying what you’re supposed to say, and then going home)
(Hey… do you think that’s why they’re so passionate about how unpleasant it is to have to fall in line behind a political ideology and support it, and then that means you don’t have your own voice and just “fall in line” etc etc, is because that’s their personal experience of what it means when you are “on” one particular side?)
If there are 10 people at a table and a Nazi is able to sit down with them unopposed, there are 11 Nazis at the table.
If you do not vote against fascism you are a fascist.
This is war and neutrality is tantamount to a refusal to condemn to the appropriate degree.
It is the preference of the petite bourgeois for genocide as a result of inaction than avoiding that by their action.
It is a position only capable of being held from the privilege of knowing you aren’t first up on the “decommissioning line” when the monstrous machine starts waking up.
Yeah, pretty much. And like I say, I don’t think they actually believe these things for the most part. I think there are some people on e.g. lemmy.ml who’ve been taken in by it, but I think most of the “all Biden all the time” accounts on .world who have no separate interest in any other activity other than not voting for Biden are exactly what they seem to be.
So you’re saying that I, a trans leftist activist, am a fascist because I’m voting for a 3rd party instead of Biden? You know some of us actually do stuff other than bash people on Lemmy, right?
As a queer person, this is really offensive. You realize that a large part of my opinion is formed by my queer identity, right?
Dems have done absolutely jack shit in my state to fight the slew of anti-trans and anti-gay bills passed by our legislature. They’ve done almost nothing at the federal level, and there was actually talk about letting Republicans push anti-trans legislation so that they could “just get a budget passed”. So yea, while my trans siblings are sitting here suffering and the Dems go “well I’m not sure about trans rights”, you might excuse my frustration and anger at the party that flies the rainbow flag and then turns the other way when we get fucked.
As opposed to the party actively doing the fucking.
But please tell us more about why we should be angrier at the dems for shit the republicans are doing.
I’m sure all that consent you manufacture for letting the republicans win again will definitely get you labeled one of the good ones when they start making lists.
Dems have done absolutely jack shit in my state to fight the slew of anti-trans and anti-gay bills passed by our legislature. They’ve done almost nothing at the federal level
Man imagine literally admitting that “the other side are actual fascists” isn’t enough a reason alone for you to fall the fuck in line and still thinking you have any moral ground to stand on.
Big “Bridal Shower at a Gay Bar” kinda ally energy you’re bringing here.
No, no, it’s just that their morals are so STRONG that they can’t help but let fascists win.
I mean, I don’t think anyone should “fall in line” behind any of the Democrats. That’s part of the propaganda, is that they reframe something perfectly sensible (voting not to end democracy) as some emotionally resonant obedient thing that you have to fall in line behind the Democrats from now on, and vote for them no matter what, and in the meantime never criticize or disagree with them on anything, or even try to get concessions for your vote or do protests or anything else.
I mean, if that were the system, then they’d kind of have a point, even though in this election it would still be a good idea to fall the fuck in line behind the non fascist candidate. But I think at least at the rank and file level, the exact people who care enough to want to vote for Biden also care enough to, in a lot of cases, want to do direct protests and “uncommitted” votes and all that, because they care. It seems weird that the shills are so insistent that the system is either voting (and then agreeing with the Democrats on everything from then on), or doing the more-than-voting things that produce real change, which a lot of times a lot of the Democrat establishment itself kind of doesn’t want people doing.
(I mean – I’m aware that they don’t actually believe these things, and are just sort of tossing them out from their scripts, and also don’t care if people are poking holes in their logic, because the point is just to throw it all at the wall and hopefully some of sticks through sheer peer pressure. I think they don’t really care if we believe them, individually, either. I imagine it’s kind of like working in a call center; you just kind of type on a computer for a long time saying what you’re supposed to say, and then going home)
(Hey… do you think that’s why they’re so passionate about how unpleasant it is to have to fall in line behind a political ideology and support it, and then that means you don’t have your own voice and just “fall in line” etc etc, is because that’s their personal experience of what it means when you are “on” one particular side?)
I have zero sympathy.
It’s fascism. That’s the end of the debate.
If there are 10 people at a table and a Nazi is able to sit down with them unopposed, there are 11 Nazis at the table.
If you do not vote against fascism you are a fascist.
This is war and neutrality is tantamount to a refusal to condemn to the appropriate degree.
It is the preference of the petite bourgeois for genocide as a result of inaction than avoiding that by their action.
It is a position only capable of being held from the privilege of knowing you aren’t first up on the “decommissioning line” when the monstrous machine starts waking up.
Dude, it’s not the progressives that are trying to woo the “centrist” right-wingers.
Yeah, pretty much. And like I say, I don’t think they actually believe these things for the most part. I think there are some people on e.g. lemmy.ml who’ve been taken in by it, but I think most of the “all Biden all the time” accounts on .world who have no separate interest in any other activity other than not voting for Biden are exactly what they seem to be.
So you’re saying that I, a trans leftist activist, am a fascist because I’m voting for a 3rd party instead of Biden? You know some of us actually do stuff other than bash people on Lemmy, right?
Yes, you are.
Just because you’re a blindingly stupid fascist doesn’t make you not a fascist.
You’ll be tried with the other collaborators all the same. Equal opportunity justice!
Signed, a queer palestinian syndicalist since we’re apparently tag dropping now.
As a queer person, this is really offensive. You realize that a large part of my opinion is formed by my queer identity, right?
Dems have done absolutely jack shit in my state to fight the slew of anti-trans and anti-gay bills passed by our legislature. They’ve done almost nothing at the federal level, and there was actually talk about letting Republicans push anti-trans legislation so that they could “just get a budget passed”. So yea, while my trans siblings are sitting here suffering and the Dems go “well I’m not sure about trans rights”, you might excuse my frustration and anger at the party that flies the rainbow flag and then turns the other way when we get fucked.
As opposed to the party actively doing the fucking.
But please tell us more about why we should be angrier at the dems for shit the republicans are doing.
I’m sure all that consent you manufacture for letting the republicans win again will definitely get you labeled one of the good ones when they start making lists.
Lol right? “My red state does fucked up shit! Why won’t the Dems stop it? I won’t vote for them, then!”
Fucking morons.
You aren’t even trying to seem in good faith