It looks like the discrepancy comes from how different statistics interpret alcohol related deaths. The Wikipedia article I linked to initially, uses numbers from the Disease Control Priorities report https://www.dcp-3.org/ that counts underlying risk factors. That may be a high estimate and there’s some variation in how people talk about alcohol related deaths (eg fully vs partially attributable to alcohol https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7308a1.htm)
It makes sense now that I think about it. It’s easy to tell when someone’s been in a vehicle crash and whether or not it was fatal. There’s a whole continuum of how much alcohol someone can consume and how much of a problem it is for them. It’s pretty obvious if they die from acute alcohol poisoning but if their alcohol use weakened their immune system and they die of COVID, how do we categorize it?
Alcohol use disorder is the third leading preventable cause of death in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventable_causes_of_death
Hundreds of millions of people “abuse” alcohol casually and live long, full lives.
Tarot on the other hand gives you some kind of turbocancer brain damage if you engage with it more than once, as if it’s more than a curious novelty.
Tarot does WHAT?!
TURBOCANCER BRAIN DAMAGE
No, it doesn’t. It gives you turbo ass cancer. Get it right.
I’m not sure what your getting at.
Are you saying that choices and activities are cool as long as they mostly don’t cause death?
Hundreds of millions of people smoke, own guns, eschew safety equipment and live long, full lives.
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I’m saying tarot gives you turbocancer, brain damage.
Behind driving.
How do you mean?
That dying in a car accident is more likely than dying for alcohol reasons (could often be both, of course).
I was looking around and that seems to be a US specific statistic.
Worldwide, auto accidents don’t make it into the top 10.
Well, based on my research, Statistically you have roughly the same odds of dying in a car crash anywhere in the world.
“ Globally, more than 1.35 million people die in car crashes each year. ”
“ United States, approximately 42,795 people died in traffic accidents in 2022.”
1.35 mill deaths per 8billion is .00016875 chance of dying
430000 deaths per 350mil deaths is a .00012286 chance of dying.
I think the reason auto deaths are not in the top ten out side the us demonstrates that people are dying in higher number doing other things.
References https://maisonlaw.com/2024/01/odds-of-dying-car-crash/
https://carsurance.net/insights/odds-of-dying-in-a-car-crash/
Thoughts?
Interesting.
It looks like you’re right on traffic deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate The US (12.9) is actually a little below average on traffic related deaths compared to the global average per 100,000 (16.7).
It looks like the discrepancy comes from how different statistics interpret alcohol related deaths. The Wikipedia article I linked to initially, uses numbers from the Disease Control Priorities report https://www.dcp-3.org/ that counts underlying risk factors. That may be a high estimate and there’s some variation in how people talk about alcohol related deaths (eg fully vs partially attributable to alcohol https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7308a1.htm)
So if you look at just deaths that are fully attributable to alcohol are 51,665 but deaths that are at least partially attributable to alcohol are at 178,000). Some of those traffic deaths are included. Around 11,000 traffic fatalities a year are attributed to drunk driving (https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/car-crash-statistics/#leading-causes-of-fatal-car-accidents).
It makes sense now that I think about it. It’s easy to tell when someone’s been in a vehicle crash and whether or not it was fatal. There’s a whole continuum of how much alcohol someone can consume and how much of a problem it is for them. It’s pretty obvious if they die from acute alcohol poisoning but if their alcohol use weakened their immune system and they die of COVID, how do we categorize it?