• Call me Lenny/Leni
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      What job do you have where you’re not allowed to take care of your health when necessary?

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        I think we can all guess the country. I wish you all the best, wakkawakkawakka.

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              North Korea has the world’s worst human rights, so when they made it sound like only one country had this issue, that was my guess. I’m in North America and never experienced what is described. Unless I’m wrong to have even the amount of faith required to believe there are no North Korea denialists here.

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                  When I say that, I’m going by every regular source that ever existed, plus satellite images, its near-impossible standards for leaving or entering, its lack of internet access (who here has seen anyone who is actually from North Korea), and the fact that the average North Korean adult is only five feet tall, with height being an indicator of health (the taller the healthier). What do you weigh against it that inspires you to posit it’s all just propaganda and hearsay? Other hearsay (as opposed to a conflict within the narrative you oppose)?

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                    I say that, I’m going by every regular source that ever existed

                    “regular source” citations-needed

                    its near-impossible standards for leaving or entering

                    did you know these are imposed on them externally? their policy is that they love tourists. here’s a video of a couple of australian tourists enjoying themselves there. the reason americans can’t go there is because the US forbids it.

                    its lack of internet access (who here has seen anyone who is actually from North Korea),

                    it’s a country under brutal siege for its entire history. yes, they’re poor. whose fault is that?

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                  The federation aspect of Lemmy is acting up again, the image won’t show up for me except as a transparent block (I assume it’s supposed to show something).

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                    dang, unfortunate. it was an emote, a picture of famous North Korea liar/grifter Yeonmi Park, inventor of many truths such as: “North Koreans don’t have a word for depression”, “the word for friend is banned in North Korea”, and (my favorite) “the trains in North Korea don’t work so people have to push the trains wherever they go”.

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                According to who?

                Could it be, the United States? The most vicious and bloody empire the world has ever known?

                That aside (like, wow, holy fuck)

                If you could not recognize the earlier comments as an indication of western capitalism, you are rich or otherwise so privileged you cannot comprehend the struggles of the average person

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                  Or maybe you’re overreacting a little. I don’t deny struggles such as those by the average person, but being unable to take care of one’s health is not one of them. That’s also why I answered “North Korea” to someone’s assertion that there’s a place where this is an issue. America allows people to take time away to recuperate, even for mental health, and has this thing called SSI for the chronically unhealthy.

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                Your whataboutism can’t deflect the fact that the US policy on COVID put the prerogatives of capital ahead of public health, doing the most half-assed lockdown procedures without contact tracing, pretty much guaranteeing that this apex predator would continue to stalk the streets and mutate indefinitely, enabling mass social murder on a historical scale, pushing the most precarious workers back into contact with the public to get sick over and over, pushing kids back to school without vaccinations under the pretext that they were low risk (false), allowing infections to rebound through the population endlessly through the vectors of families, workplaces, and schools.

                We’re now at the point where the most at-risk, especially the immune compromised, continue to die quietly in the background while the country’s leadership declares the state of emergency to be over. Officially over a million dead here and it’s sure to be a mass underestimation because states are no longer reporting, and regardless it’s a major risk factor of other diseases, especially cardial, one of which claimed one of my closest family members after they caught COVID multiple times before being vaccinated despite performing all these supposed protocols to the extreme (doesn’t matter how much you isolate if the workers delivering your groceries bring the virus with them).

                Oh yeah and, the pandemic never went away, “endemic” is a weasel word that really means “the weak shall suffer what they must,” hardly a word about long COVID in the media any more even though we don’t yet understand its full extent. US COVID policy amounts to enabling a mass death and disability event. Guess our burgers and haircuts are more important than the lives of the elderly and immune compromised. America’s COVID policy is neglect and eugenics with more steps. As for North Korea, who’s deranged enough to give a fuck about their supposed lack of protocols (also false) when the real disaster is still unfolding all around us?

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                  You say that like it’s whataboutism to mention a country had it worse when the original commenter meant to make it sound like there was a singular country with the issue. I never said America’s response was great, but I responded asking if they were talking about North Korea because they had it worse, even going so far at one point to say covid didn’t exist in a practical sense. They ignored the virus and it almost decimated them because North Korea has such bad health. They fit the commenter’s allusion to a country that handled it badly better than America even if America handled it badly too.

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                America had a larger infection rate and mortality rate than North Korea.

                I know what you’re gonna say “oh they lied about their numbers”. Why would I trust the US to be honest about theirs? Why would I trust the US media in their claims about North Korea lying about its numbers?
                The US had several whistleblowers like Rebekah Jones getting arrested/abused/harrased for their reporting on the state of the US obfuscating data.
                The american media has been shown to lie time and again, especially when it comes to foreign matters - Most famously about Iraq. What reason do I have to trust it?
                The United States has the largest prisoner population in the world and has a history of persecuting minorites and political dissidents like leaders of black lives matter. These dissidents are dissapeared at secret police blacksites where they are tortured. This prisoner population is used as slave labour, which is still legal.
                Why would I trust the lies peddled by this authoritarian regime about a country whose population they relentlessly bombed until they’d murdered 20% of it.

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                  Even if giving your sources the benefit of the doubt, you say that as if the US is the only place that talks about things going on in North Korea.

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                    Ah neat you failed to engage with the central argument, instead moving the goalposts to now being another weirdly general discussion.
                    You were referring to American media and American claims, so this is the framework. Instead of either accepting your sources are flawed, that you have a bias, that they have a bias, that you might not be entirely correct, you choose to shift the discussion to one where you yet again take another incredibly broad position that is so vague it is nigh impossible to disorove. I don’t think you do this on purpose, I think it is reflexive, but I encourage you to interrogate your actions upon encountering data that conflicts with your worldview.

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              At least South Korea and North America shut down for the pandemic, North Korea did not. I rest my case.

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                North Korea was shut down anyway, it took a long time for them to have their first covid outbreak and I think when it finally did happen they did shut down.

                Also, I am glad you have come out so strongly in favor of the PRC approach, or so I must convlude.

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                  Being so close to China, North Korea couldn’t be in a position to escape being one of the first to suffer. Kim Jong-un spent the first part of it saying it didn’t exist. What’s worse is health in North Korea is poor, so there were more casualties. Any true response was too late.

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                    one of the first to suffer.

                    It didn’t outbreak until 8 May 2022 according to your source, so they made it until after Omicron evolved.

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                    You’re gonna need a better source than Wikipedia, which has a ridiculous level of slant against the DPRK (look up “Propaganda village” if you need convincing)

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          I’m in America and this isn’t an issue. I don’t know anyone where this isn’t an issue, in fact there’s this thing in America called SSI designed specifically to help the chronically unhealthy without even a need to work.

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              It depends on the state, but it’s not like it’s not there for people, which debunks the idea the American system doesn’t care about health, as poorly prepared as the healthcare system might be.

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                  I didn’t say it was able to help everyone. No stipend can do that. But the comments that led up to this conversation claimed America “doesn’t care about health” (hence why my first guess about what country they were alluding to was the one most people first think of when talking about human rights abuse).

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        You’ve genuinely never seen a job promote their “5 sick days a year” BS like it was generous lol? You also must not work construction. Being sick in construction means even your co-workers will be mad at you, for some reason.

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          Lineman for a major telecommunications corporation. Just tested positive for covid. The unspoken rule is show up, if you are dead they may send you home. Got lucky since I actually interact with the public. Sent pic of the positive test to manager. Don’t know what is going to happen.

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            Not surprised at all. Companies love to offload their losses to everyone else. If you come in regardless, they don’t lose the value your work brings them, while their sick employees spread their crap to everyone and costs society thousands in perfectly avoidable healthcare costs.

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          Kind of. I work in the humanities industry, so there is a limit to off-days (as with most jobs) but nothing like a set number like five days and definitely nothing like a prohibition like I thought the original commenter was talking about, you just can’t drag it out. However, it wouldn’t be humanities if there wasn’t a human element, and it’s a red flag in the industry if there wasn’t a willingness to accommodate, like I see posts about that all the time like here for example and wonder what anyone saw in them.

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            Either you’re lucky that your field is pretty flexible, or I was unlucky that all the jobs I had, my current one being an exception, were the opposite ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            Honestly, in my experience it’s a crapshoot and wildly varies from company to company, or even manager by manager basis. But some industries have it really rough. I used to work retail, the exploitation over there is insane. This thread you’re linking pretty much lines up with what I know about service too - OP being angry at his colleague for falling sick rather than his employer for guilt tripping him is pretty much par for the course too.

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              Isn’t it inscribed in law that if you have a perfectly good reason to call in sick, even exceeding five days a year, that it will be granted to you? Even grade school allows something like at least fifteen days a year, as that I think is the maximum time someone can be temporarily suspended. Someone can correct me on that.

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                I mean… Yeah, sure. The law also says I can’t sit on non-chair public infrastructure around here, but is it really being enforced?

                Retaliation and abuse from an employer is hard to prove. Fighting back takes energy and time, a thing your average middle-class and lower don’t have in large quantities once they’re done working. And it can be hard to explain to your next employer that you’re in legal proceedings against your ex employer over your working conditions without hurting your chances to be employed in the first place. There’s a world of difference between what’s in law and what actually happens.

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            I got out of construction this year. I was on jobsites for basically the entire shutdown for Covid.

            Outside of disease, there are a lot of physical health hazards in construction that you’re just expected to work through. Working at all on a coal-fired power plant, you’re going to breathe in coal dust all day long for your shift, which for me was up to 16 hours a day not including travel time.

            cw gross

            if you sneeze or blow your nose for the rest of the day, the tissue will be black with coal dust. Imagine what that does to your lungs.

            Edit: I originally wrote this when I first woke up, and was more combative than I should have been.

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        I worked a job in health insurance where I couldn’t take time off for doctors appointments until I had been there for 6 months. My health got super fucked.