• NeuromancerM
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    10 months ago

    You’re confused about what a genocide is. Yes, birth rate is defined in the phrase. Since the destruction of the group is the end goal, if they’re growing, then you are not doing a great job a genocide.

    SInce Israel does not have the goal of destroying the Palestinians, it isn’t genocide. It isn’t by definition, no matter how much you want to pretend it is. ]

    It is nothing more than self-defense from the the attack from the Palestinians. If they stopped attacking Israel, then Israel wouldn’t attack them.

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      10 months ago

      Hey good news wintermute! The UN are currently calling on the international community to declare the events in Palestine as a Genocide! Here is a link:

      https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

      Also, I checked the wikipedia article for the phrase “Birth Rate” and it does not come up. In fact the only mention of birth is that an addition definition for genocide is the prevention of births, however it is not a necessary action to meet the definition of the word Genocide.

      Genocide can take many forms, and CANNOT, IN ANY WAY, AT ALL, EVER, be counteracted by the rate of new births. That is not a thing and has never been a thing. Can you please provide me any literature that claims that the increase in births has any bearing on whether an action can be viewed as a Genocide?

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        10 months ago

        Sorry I have to disagree with you. I’ll leave it as that. Since the only way to destroy a population is by deceasing the numbers. I think it’s self evident you must see a population decline.

        So we will leave it at that. You think self defense is genocide and I think it’s when you try to exterminate a population.

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          10 months ago

          That’s okay, you’re not disagreeing with me, you’re disagreeing with the literal meaning of the word. We can’t just make things up to suit how we’d like reality to be. All the best 👍

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            10 months ago

            No, you just can’t understand the meaning of the word. I get it. Many people have trouble understanding the meaning of words. You seem to think self defense is genocide and while I find that odd, I get if from your view of the world. You just hate jews and think they should peacefully be exterminated. That is a stance I don’t agree with and will always defend Israels right to sell defense.

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              10 months ago

              I thought you were done? I provided the definition and you did not, unless you can provide me a definition of the word from a reputable source, which contains references to birth rates as a contraindicator of genocide, then I’m sorry, but you’re just going to have to continue to take the L 😉

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                10 months ago

                You provided a definition but then ignore what it states. It clearly does not show Israel committing genocide. Not even close.

                I am not taking an L because you don’t understand the meaning of words.

                It clearly states the destruction of people. That clearly isn’t happening. Israel is only defending itself from the attack by the Palestinians. Nothing more. If any one is committing genocide, it’s the Palestinians against the Israelis. Hamas has clearly said they want to destroy Israel. That is genocide.

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                  10 months ago

                  Please stay on topic, and provide a definition of genocide that agrees with your views that rates of childbirth can counteract an act of genocide to the point where it no longer counts as an act of genocide.

                  Provide a citation, or take the L. Stay on topic.

                  Link. Or admit you are wrong.

                  Provide a link.