You’re right at first sight, i didn’t know that, interesting considering that eastern Europe banned communist symbols and political parties :
However i’m wondering if you know the republican point of view, representing half of the voting population after all. They’re apparently saying that they’re against poverty, but somehow believe that giving more money to the wealthy is the correct way, that they’re not racist, but are mixing the consequences of being poor with the social determinism of our system(, or that we’re being replaced in France), they’re equating socialism with authoritarianism, saying that we don’t know economy, and that crime should be fought with more “authority”, and many more things, they’re just mistaken and nobody deserves (y)our hate, everyone makes mistakes, i think it was the point of view of @Mango and it’s also mine. I, for one, regretted their absence from reddit and also on Lemmy, it’s not by excluding them that things will improve i.m.o.
You’re believing that fascism is on the rise but we’re no better than the fascists banning the socialists/communists if we’re banning fascists instead of accepting&debating with them. Things are indeed getting worse, i agree with you on this(, and @Mango as well probably), more censorship isn’t the answer i.m.o.
Man, I grew up in Small Town America™. I know Republicans, and I know how they think. Some of it is ignorance, like you say. But a great deal of it simply is… not. There is a great deal of bigotry and malice in the GOP rank-and-file, and I don’t know how much sympathy “I wasn’t paying attention to literal right-wing terror attacks on minorities when I voted for the party that encouraged them” is supposed to garner them.
In the US, neither Nazis nor Soviet-style communists are banned (nor any kind of communists, for that matter).
Hey, i’m visiting some family currently and they’re watching another one of these news channels owned by billionaires, they’re regularly saying that crimes are done by immigrants and totally ignoring that the poors 100% french hated the police as well 100 years ago, and did more crimes than the wealthy, it’s so obvious that it isn’t linked to being black or arab, that their solution of being even more cruel towards them(, social benefits, authority, police, …,) is f*cking ignorant. They’re talking all day about islam and insecurity(, which isn’t growing in %, it only gives such impressions because the laws changed, surveys should be trusted instead), yet such experts would be absolutely unable to explain why these behaviours were exactly the same in the past with “true” french poors(, e.g., they called cops “les cognes”, etc.). When i’m pointing the obvious(, going back millenias in the past), they’ll just shrug it off and continue to call it a civilizational problem, history goes in circles.
Is it more or less the same in the u.s.a. ? I’d be interested to know your vision of their propaganda.
Yeah, it’s very similar, only that there is a weird kind of nihilism peddled in the American right where problems are actually unsolvable, so the ‘solution’ isn’t “We’ll fix this” but “We’ll hurt these people and that will make you feel better even if it doesn’t improve anything”.
If i may interject : do you really not see a difference between the republican party and our archetype of nazis ?
Should they be banned then ?
I didn’t realize Nazis were banned in the US. Care to offer me some legislation on the matter?
You’re right at first sight, i didn’t know that, interesting considering that eastern Europe banned communist symbols and political parties :
However i’m wondering if you know the republican point of view, representing half of the voting population after all. They’re apparently saying that they’re against poverty, but somehow believe that giving more money to the wealthy is the correct way, that they’re not racist, but are mixing the consequences of being poor with the social determinism of our system(, or that we’re being replaced in France), they’re equating socialism with authoritarianism, saying that we don’t know economy, and that crime should be fought with more “authority”, and many more things, they’re just mistaken and nobody deserves (y)our hate, everyone makes mistakes, i think it was the point of view of @Mango and it’s also mine. I, for one, regretted their absence from reddit and also on Lemmy, it’s not by excluding them that things will improve i.m.o.
You’re believing that fascism is on the rise but we’re no better than the fascists banning the socialists/communists if we’re banning fascists instead of accepting&debating with them. Things are indeed getting worse, i agree with you on this(, and @Mango as well probably), more censorship isn’t the answer i.m.o.
Man, I grew up in Small Town America™. I know Republicans, and I know how they think. Some of it is ignorance, like you say. But a great deal of it simply is… not. There is a great deal of bigotry and malice in the GOP rank-and-file, and I don’t know how much sympathy “I wasn’t paying attention to literal right-wing terror attacks on minorities when I voted for the party that encouraged them” is supposed to garner them.
In the US, neither Nazis nor Soviet-style communists are banned (nor any kind of communists, for that matter).
Hey, i’m visiting some family currently and they’re watching another one of these news channels owned by billionaires, they’re regularly saying that crimes are done by immigrants and totally ignoring that the poors 100% french hated the police as well 100 years ago, and did more crimes than the wealthy, it’s so obvious that it isn’t linked to being black or arab, that their solution of being even more cruel towards them(, social benefits, authority, police, …,) is f*cking ignorant. They’re talking all day about islam and insecurity(, which isn’t growing in %, it only gives such impressions because the laws changed, surveys should be trusted instead), yet such experts would be absolutely unable to explain why these behaviours were exactly the same in the past with “true” french poors(, e.g., they called cops “les cognes”, etc.). When i’m pointing the obvious(, going back millenias in the past), they’ll just shrug it off and continue to call it a civilizational problem, history goes in circles.
Is it more or less the same in the u.s.a. ? I’d be interested to know your vision of their propaganda.
Yeah, it’s very similar, only that there is a weird kind of nihilism peddled in the American right where problems are actually unsolvable, so the ‘solution’ isn’t “We’ll fix this” but “We’ll hurt these people and that will make you feel better even if it doesn’t improve anything”.