• SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The median age in Palestine is 18. A majority weren’t alive for that “election”. Hamas isn’t even Democratic. They are jihadists who are consolidating power.

    This rhetoric is insane. If we substitute America for Israel people would be foaming at the mouth on Palestinian side, and they wouldn’t be making these false equivalency between Hamas and Palestine.

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      1 year ago

      How is referring to the government of a country and that country a “false equivalency?”

      If Gazans don’t want to catch the consequences of Hamas fucking around, they should probably do something about Hamas

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        1 year ago

        They don’t have resources to do this. They are in a concentration camp. The world’s largest open air prison. Israel bombs their hospitals, kills jounralists, and insane amount of propaganda. I am sure you’d seen the crazy ads that have been floating around the past week of images of babies and trying to get an emotional reaction from people.

        Just because Trump was elected president, it doesn’t mean he represented all of us. It’s like saying, “hur dur, American people elected Trump so let’s kill every American” when he didn’t win the popular vote at all. That’s the false equivalency or whatever appropriate term is used here. Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinian people, and Israel keeps them in the condition where Hamas can operate. Keep in mind, doing this just radicalizes people and creates more and more terrorist groups which then Israel can turn around and go, “SEE, SEE??? SEE??? THE PALESTINIANS ARE ANIMALS AND MAKE TERRORISTS!” Every avenue of diplomacy has been shot down with Gaza and Palestine. Every single one. This is a genocide.

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          1 year ago

          And why does Israel bomb Gaza? Because Gaza repeatedly launches rockets at Israel. Maybe they shouldn’t do that.

          Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinian people

          They… represent Gaza. Because they’re the government of Gaza.

          Every avenue of diplomacy has been shot down with Gaza

          How are you supposed to be diplomatic with genocidal terrorists? Hmm?

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              1 year ago

              And you deliberately ignored the salient points here. I don’t doubt that Israeli policy has been far from perfect, but the driving force in moving this conflict forward is Hamas. If you can suggest a way for Israel to use diplomacy with a people that has put literal genocidal fanatics in charge of their government, then I think you will win the Novel peace prize.

              • SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                Oh fuck. Hamas sends a missile out and then Israel sends in a barrage of missiles targeting hospitals and journalists. Yeah, real cool. Clearly that gives Israel the justification.

                And did not engage in my point regarding the median age? The median age are 18 years old. More than half of the people in Gaza were not born and alive during the time of that vote. And it isn’t like Hamas is democratic, and they clearly are consolidating power. Palestinians don’t have access to resources to even be able to overthrow Hamas, in part due to Israel.

                Keep in mind, fuck Hamas. They need to be eliminated. They are jihadist terrorists. No matter what, there is no justification in flattening Gaza, killing innocents and babies, just to kill Hamas. Palestinians are as much of a victim to Hamas as the Russian people to Putin. Or the analogy I used, American people to Trump.

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                  1 year ago

                  Hamas is the group which launched the rocket at the hospital. Accidentally - they were trying to hit Israeli civilians - but their rocket hit the hospital.

                  Also, Hamas controls the Gaza health authority, so any casualty figures they give can be tossed.

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                    1 year ago

                    Keep in mind you didn’t engage with anything else i mentioned. You deflected and are now talking about something else.

                    So Hamas hits this hospital and kills people, or there is an aummunition depot below the hospital, or whatever else. Does this give Israel the justification to retaliate 100 fold? Does this give Israel the justification to cut water, electricity, and Internet from Palestine?

                    Keep in mind, the reason why Israel cut electricity and internet is to make sure accurate information isn’t released into the world. Keep in mind, that Israel has a strong record of lying about these kinds of attacks. Keep in mind, they have killed journalists and attacksd civilians many times.

                    Just a reminder of my question:

                    Does Hamas blowing up a hospital give Israel the justification to retaliate 100 fold? Should they send 100 missiles now into Palestine, especially when a hospital is it?