Rep. Mike Johnson, the newly elected Republican House speaker, used to conduct a seminar in churches premised on the idea that the United States is a “Christian nation.” This ministry, as he has referred to it, is yet more evidence that Johnson is committed to a hardcore Christian fundamentalism that shapes his views of politics and government.
The seminar, titled “Answers for Our Times: Government, Culture, and Christianity,” was organized by Onward Christian Education Services, Inc., a company owned by his wife, Kelly Johnson, a Christian counselor and anti-abortion activist who calls herself a “leader in the pro-family movement.” The website for her counseling service—which was taken down shortly after Johnson became speaker—described the seminar, which featured both her and Johnson, as exploring several questions, such as, “What is happening in America and how do we fix it?” The list includes this query: “Can our heritage as a Christian nation be preserved?” There were different versions of the seminar running from two-hour-long lectures to retreats lasting two days.
So much for the Constitution, eh, Mike? Can you point to any historical basis for the US being a “Christian nation” or nation of any religion?
Just like the Bible, the guys only cite the Constitution when it suits them, but ignore the rest.
it says “in god we trust” on the dollar…oh! you mean the actual constitution?
Which was added in the 50s in response to us shitting our pants over “godless communists.” Even that has no real history
I prefer “E pluribus unum.” Why can’t I have that on my license plate? I think it should be a better descriptor of what the US is.
Also, “In God we trust,” isn’t a religious endorsement, if you go with court ruling.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-religion-motto-idUSKCN1LD24K
I personally believe it is, unless you look at “God” in this instance being the money itself. Which could actually track if you wanted.
The cons want to have it both ways, naturally. Having it on currency provides “proof” that this is an xtian nation and it’s also TOTE LEGITZ and doesn’t violate the First Amendment!
I’ve often seen people say that GOD = “Gold, Oil and Diamonds/Drugs” when it comes to it being on currency.
What’s most amusing is that the Christopaths are in general so provincial that when they make such arguments for putting “in god we trust” on our currency, it not only violates a key tenant of their supposed scriptures, but they also fail to realize the “god” in question is not even spelled out.
They just assume the term “god” is equivalent to the Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah of the Abrahamic faiths. That may be the case for their pea-sized brains, I guess…
What do you think the reasoning was to put it on our coins in the mid 1800s?
Bending the knee to Christians same as now.
Were godless communists a concern then? Or do you think the majority of the population was Christian, so it was widely accepted?
Are you trying to make a point?
didn’t know that, that’s interesting.
It’s about as “historic” as most of those stupid statues put up to honor their Confederate traitors.
The rocket surgeons on the right probably think we should learn about the Constitution from a slogan on currency and history from statues put up to racist traitors.
Or the “under God” they added to the pledge and divided one nation, indivisible
Also, it doesn’t even spell out which god it is. Is it Pan? Zeus? Odin? Shiva?
THOR! can it be thor? :D
Sure, why not. Could set up a randomizer and select one from here…
Yep. Not one mention of their favorite character from “the” bible. If anything, the First Amendment DIRECTLY contradicts the so-called “first commandment”.
Their favorite biblical character is likely Pontius Pilate.
The most they get is “endowed by their Creator” in the Declaration of Independence. One word in one document that isn’t even an official part of our laws and doesn’t refer to a specific “Creator.” But they’re ready to spin that into “this is really a Christian nation and anyone who isn’t Christian or our flavor of Christianity isn’t really a citizen!”
I find it really weird that they are now walking back all this stuff about his christofascism. When Johnson was asked about some of this directly, he claimed to not remember many of the things he wrote. And here, when they realized all the attention it was getting they took it down.
They’re doing damage control over some of his core beliefs, which can never be good for someone who has a political job with a National profile.
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They just want to seize power. They don’t GAF what most Americans want.
They’re not yet at the point of totally blowing off what’s popular. They know they still need to be careful if they want their Gilead plan to work out.
I remember some of the magoos gnashing their teeth, crying, and almost literally tearing their garments over the early leak about the abortion decision. They were beside themselves - not just over the “leak” either, but about what they thought it would do to the party’s chances.
I think many of them don’t really want to show the naked fascist face of the party - just yet.
I’m already sick of seeing his punchable face in my feed.
It sure doesn’t help that a weird little man with such weird ideas about my country has such a face…
That should instantly disqualify him for holding office.
Agreed. We need to start enforcing the separation of Church and State. A politician shouldn’t be pushing policy based on some religious belief. Not everyone in the US is Christian, and then among those that do identify as such, you have a hundred branches of groups that didn’t like something the trunk was doing and branched off to do their own thing. Basing any policy on something that sub group can’t even agree upon seems insane.
Every time these people come out and say we need to do xyz because of some religious belief they have, that policy should be null and void on the spot and that person removed from office.
To paraphrase many others…those religious rules are for the believers in that religion, not for others. If I’m not in their little book club, I simply don’t care what their “god” says, nor do I ever have to be concerned with it, ever. Only they have to listen to their “god”. But there is no fun in that for those afflicted with the authoritarian mindset - they want to busybody others and be full-time Karens for everyone in the nation, if not the world.
The freedom of others to not only outright ignore their little bookclub’s rules, but also to mock their beliefs is exactly what the Christopaths hate and loathe about this country, though, since it was founded as a secular one. If anyone were to doubt this is not a thing with them, one only need to point out the phenomenon known as “fatwa envy”. I think if they are that unhappy about it, they should move somewhere more receptive to their regressive views about ruling over others in the name of their “god”.
Well, Qbert said she’s tired of hearing about separation of church and state, meaning she should be disqualified for the same reason, but even after the vaping and the groping on top of that, she’s still in office, sadly.
Don’t you know? Public indecency is only a crime for democrats.
The xtians always use the “I’m not perfect, just forgiven” thing which just says it all, really. The not very subtle implication being that, even if caught doing things in public like having your yabbos given a good fondling while you yank the crank of your BF (was her divorce finalized at this point? Isn’t that adultery? Does xtianity even allow divorce in the eyes of their god?) after some vaping, she is still better than you are if you’ve not accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
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Please, don’t start the “in line” fight club thread. .
If there is a certain type of Merrikan that is truly insufferable, it’s those that claim this is a xtian country.
This is the first instance of a country that was spelled out as a secular one, in writing. Not one reference to any god or gods, including their Yahweh/Allah/Jehovah. And for the dingleberries that want to hang their argument on the mechanism of dating used (anno domini) - LOL.
The closest America comes is in the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
“Their Creator” is about as non-denominational as it gets. It’s not like it’s saying “endowed by Jesus God.” It’s more of a generic “men are born with these rights” statement than any statement of religion.
Yet the Christian Fundamentalists will point to that and say “See? That means God and clearly it refers to our God so that means it’s a Christian country!”
Oh, and a big reason why the US is secular? We broke off from England where the king was the head of the Church. If you weren’t part of the Church of England, you were persecuted against. The founding fathers were trying to avoid that in the US.
Yep, good points. Even though the Declaration holds no legal bearing, they will try to point to that (but ignore the Treaty of Tripoli, LOL). Though I think some of today’s Christopaths would probably burn the Deist Founders as heretics if they had the chance.
Lastly, yes, the Founders were well aware of the worst impulses and excesses of religion that is given any power, given that the Inquisition was still going during their lifetimes. Given that many were Deists, surely they had to know that kind of heresy [1] would not be tolerated by the most fanatical of xtians.
[1] - Heresy literally means “choice”. Kind of ironic that today’s right wing that has co-opted terms like “liberty” and “freedom” are the very ones that would be America’s own Morality Police, zealously trying to stamp out any and all heresy (choice) if they had the chance. Also, the same bunch constantly concern troll over things like “Shariah Law” - more irony, I guess, since they only differ on small matters of doctrine dealing with unverifiable superstitions, but don’t really differ at all on the outcomes and the methods on who should be subjugated (women, LGBTQ, the “other” faiths).
imagine my surprise
Is this news supposed to be surprising?
Going off just the headline and not the dog whistling. We are. The nothing in particular group are just secret Atheists who grew up in religious households though lol. The agnostics are just cowards who don’t want to commit.
Self-identified religious affiliation in the United States (2023)[1]
Protestantism (25%)
Catholicism (19%)
“Just Christian” (18%)
Nothing in particular (16%)
Agnostic (7%)
Atheist (7%)
Judaism (1%)
Buddhism (1%)
Hinduism (1%)
Mormonism (1%)
Islam (1%)
Other (2%)
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/
Would you also say the US is a white country? See how that sounds?
He definitely means it in the sense of a country run by and for the benefit of Christians, not just a country where most of the people happen to be Christian. Quit trying to let him off the hook.
I just love how Lemmings are even better at making up imaginary arguments nobody mentioned just so they can be even more offended than Reddit ever was while completely ignoring any and all context lolcatnip.
I wouldn’t class agnosticism as cowardly atheism, it’s very much its own class.
Atheism is the disbelief of gods or enlightened creation.
Agnosticism is just a “we don’t know” catch-all. There might be an Abrahamic god, with a heaven or hell that follows. There might be connected life and consciousness in the form of pantheism, where our consciousness dissipates and gets absorbed into the rest of existence. We might be living in a simulation, and wake up to a world with an entirely different set of rules and beliefs. Or maybe traditional atheism is right, this is our only existence, and we return to nothingness after death.
On a tangent, I’m weirded out by staunch atheists in the same way I’m weirded out by organized religion. We’re living subjective experiences of reality fed to us by electrified sacs of meat in our head, and even that could just be the truth on paper given to us by a simulation. We don’t know what we don’t know. We don’t remember what it was like before birth, but a nasty blow to the head could make it so we don’t remember what it was like yesterday. Observable and measurable fact is all we have, and anyone who claims to know what’s behind it or between the lines, or for that matter what isn’t there, is just elaborating on their own worldview, not empirical evidence.
I mean, technically there is no such thing as empirical evidence since we only know about it through our senses.
That being said, I personally find it far more interesting and amazing to assume that the universe is as we observe it. The idea that all the complexity we see results only from interactions between a small handful of different types of tiny wave-particle things is oddly inspiring to me.
Yeah, something like ~30% are unaffiliated or outright unbelievers. I look forward to the day when the sum total of xtians is under 50% and all the pandering to xtians can finally just stop. So sick of it. They are welcome to have their faith and practice it in their house or place of worship, but I’m sick of pols that wear it on their sleeves, or worse, assume it is the government’s role to create more xtians.
I would say the same thing if Buddhists were >50% and all the pandering was just nonstop to them. We’ll all be better off if no group has a majority and no pol feels compelled to cater to them.
By the way, it’s interesting that “just Christian”, Catholicism, Protestantism, and “Mormonism” are broken out differently - they are all xtians. I mean Protestants have many sub-sects within them, and hardly agree on all the finer points of doctrine.
I remember my mind being blown the first time that I learned China was a largely Atheist country. They have tons of their own issues but even in our media we presume every other nation must be largely god-driven with religious dogma often being one of their defining characteristics.
Chinese? Must be buddhist! India? Must be Taoist! Japanese? Better have them praying at a shrine with secret christians in the mix.
I also can’t wait. Honestly a lot of the ‘Just Christians’ I’ve met are just secret atheists who don’t want to upset family too. Or those who managed to brainwash themselves so they don’t have to be so scared of oblivion lol. The one part about religion I’m envious of.
