The “oh hell yes” part. Biden has been calling for Israel to ease up and clearly isn’t supportive of their barbaric tactics, but can’t just cut all funding due to the fact that we have long supported Israel and they’re a key ally of ours in the region.
That apparently is a little too nuanced for folks here though.
“Please stop because support is eroding” and “Stop or I won’t support you” are completely different statements with different meanings and implications.
If a kid is shooting up a school, and I keep providing him ammunition as he’s doing it, am I just an innocent bystander? The US has the power to put conditions on the aid given. They do it for Ukraine.
I’m not going to draw you a diagram of this complex situation. If you can’t be bothered to acknowledge its nuances and see that Biden’s position is definitively not a “oh hell yes” to Israel’s war crimes, no amount of explaining will change your mind.
What has Biden done to stop Israel? Yes, he’s said he wants a ceasefire, but the US vetoing the UN resolution for a ceasefire, sending warships to the area to prevent anyone else from attacking Israel, sending Israel military aid, and continuing to insist Israel “has a right to defend itself” when the death toll is close to 10:1 Palestinians to Israelis all go in the “hell yes” column. I’m genuinely curious what actions you believe go in the “no” column. What has the US done to stop Israel?
Edit: downvoted with no reply. Thanks. That’s exactly the answer I expected.
Israel receives billions of dollars every year from the US. Biden decided – while Israel is actively committing genocide at a hastened pace – that this isn’t enough and actually Israel deserves far more billions of dollars at this particular moment in time. If that’s not supporting genocide, then what is?
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
-Killing members of the group;
-Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
-Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
No, the clear intent is to attack Hamas, not massacre the populace. If you think the collateral damage from that action is too much, say that without trying to pretend things which aren’t genocide are genocide.
They’re bombing hospitals, refugee camps, ambulances, even bakeries. They’re restricting their access to food, fuel, medicine, and clean water. They’re killing them by the thousands. Thousands of children have been blown up. They’re forcibly displacing them from the North into the South and intend to force them into Egypt, where they’ll never be allowed to return. They’ve rejected all negotiation with Hamas and are refusing to allow international observers and continually are cutting them off from outside communications.
Because Hamas is using ambulances as military transports and using refugee camps, hospitals, and bakeries as military bases. What, are they not supposed to go after Hamas if they decide to commit war crimes and hide their military forces inside medical centers? That’s stupid, they’ll just start launching rockets from the roof of the hospitals and probably moon the drones.
It’s not genocide. You’re a liar and I don’t know why you’re running interference for genocidal lunatics like Hamas, whose goal is to martyr all of their population in order to kill as many Jews as possible.
He pretty clearly doesn’t
Israel: Hi, we’re bombing hospitals, schools, ambulances, refugee camps, and areas we forced innocent people into. Help pay for it?
Biden: Oh hell yes.
“Yeah go ahead” is still supporting genocide.
Complete mischaracterization of the truth. Hey! Finally something conservatives and Lemmy users can bond over!
What exactly was wrong with that post? Is the US not providing military aid to Israel? Did ambulances and refugee camps not get bombed?
The “oh hell yes” part. Biden has been calling for Israel to ease up and clearly isn’t supportive of their barbaric tactics, but can’t just cut all funding due to the fact that we have long supported Israel and they’re a key ally of ours in the region.
That apparently is a little too nuanced for folks here though.
He can tell them to cut it out. Reagan did it.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/02/politics/biden-administration-warning-israel-gaza-civilians/index.html
“Please stop because support is eroding” and “Stop or I won’t support you” are completely different statements with different meanings and implications.
If a kid is shooting up a school, and I keep providing him ammunition as he’s doing it, am I just an innocent bystander? The US has the power to put conditions on the aid given. They do it for Ukraine.
I’m not going to draw you a diagram of this complex situation. If you can’t be bothered to acknowledge its nuances and see that Biden’s position is definitively not a “oh hell yes” to Israel’s war crimes, no amount of explaining will change your mind.
What has Biden done to stop Israel? Yes, he’s said he wants a ceasefire, but the US vetoing the UN resolution for a ceasefire, sending warships to the area to prevent anyone else from attacking Israel, sending Israel military aid, and continuing to insist Israel “has a right to defend itself” when the death toll is close to 10:1 Palestinians to Israelis all go in the “hell yes” column. I’m genuinely curious what actions you believe go in the “no” column. What has the US done to stop Israel?
Edit: downvoted with no reply. Thanks. That’s exactly the answer I expected.
Israel receives billions of dollars every year from the US. Biden decided – while Israel is actively committing genocide at a hastened pace – that this isn’t enough and actually Israel deserves far more billions of dollars at this particular moment in time. If that’s not supporting genocide, then what is?
He supports Israel which is literally the same thing.
Yes, I’m sure offering words of support to long term (((allies))) in the wake of a terrorist attack is the same thing as supporting genocide to you
Giving those allies military aid and protecting them from retaliation by their neighbors is the same thing as supporting their genocide, yes.
What genocide
This genocide.
https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/588452/Israeli-Government-Mulls-Forcible-Permanent-Transfer-of-2-2-Million-Gaza
No, stationing warships nearby for protection and giving billions of dollars in weapons to a genocidal regime is the same as supporting genocide.
But they’re not doing that?
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
-Killing members of the group;
-Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
-Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
It’s genocide.
No, the clear intent is to attack Hamas, not massacre the populace. If you think the collateral damage from that action is too much, say that without trying to pretend things which aren’t genocide are genocide.
They’re bombing hospitals, refugee camps, ambulances, even bakeries. They’re restricting their access to food, fuel, medicine, and clean water. They’re killing them by the thousands. Thousands of children have been blown up. They’re forcibly displacing them from the North into the South and intend to force them into Egypt, where they’ll never be allowed to return. They’ve rejected all negotiation with Hamas and are refusing to allow international observers and continually are cutting them off from outside communications.
It’s a genocide and you are a genocide denier.
Because Hamas is using ambulances as military transports and using refugee camps, hospitals, and bakeries as military bases. What, are they not supposed to go after Hamas if they decide to commit war crimes and hide their military forces inside medical centers? That’s stupid, they’ll just start launching rockets from the roof of the hospitals and probably moon the drones.
It’s not genocide. You’re a liar and I don’t know why you’re running interference for genocidal lunatics like Hamas, whose goal is to martyr all of their population in order to kill as many Jews as possible.