That’s ridiculous, they don’t need to bomb hospitals for that. Shit, they don’t need to bomb at all, they can just occupy Gaza. Which they might do, I mean, we are at the “find out” stage and Hamas has surely fucked around, but it’s generally a bad idea to start wars you can’t win.
They can’t occupy Gaza and that’s why they left. Underestimating Hamas is how the Oct 7th attack happened, you wanna do that again?
I really don’t think it would. It would probably trigger a conflict with Hezbollah and militants from the West Bank, but I don’t think there’s a universe where Egypt or Jordan have an appetite for going to war to protect Palestinian interests. Neither nation is interested in that can of worms. Neither Lebanon nor Syria have anything approaching the means to prosecute a war.
They wouldn’t do it for Palestinian interests, they’d do it satisfy their own population so they don’t revolt. They have a lot of Palestinians that live in their countries and have family. Don’t forget about Qatar and Iran, since they’re Hamas allies. Also Turkey seems to be saber rattling a lot recently too. Don’t count out Iraq or Afghanistan either, they may not be able to contribute much but they’re no friend of Israel.
And it’s certainly in Russia’s interests for this war to blow up and entangle the US so it stops paying attention to Ukraine.
You underestimating the danger of a larger regional war, but I think Israel knows this and that’s why they’re trying for forcible transfer instead.
They can’t occupy Gaza and that’s why they left. Underestimating Hamas is how the Oct 7th attack happened, you wanna do that again
I think Israel isn’t going to be willing to leave Gaza until Hamas is destroyed or degraded past the point of it being a serious threat. Which I get. Oct 7 was unconscionable.
They wouldn’t do it for Palestinian interests, they’d do it satisfy their own population so they don’t revolt.
Dude, in both of those countries, Palestinians are a maligned minority and the government is not friendly with extremist religious orgs which would be sympathetic to the kind of genocidal goals of Hamas. Hamas gets their support mainly from individuals in the Arabian peninsula and Iran - neither of which can prosecute a war, the first because the countries there are too busy being fat and rich, the second because of geographical distance and their insistence on the use of proxies.
Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan have the capability to do anything here. What is the Taliban going to do, try to airlift some mountain jihadis with rifles in to the West Bank through hostile airspace? They’re not friendly with Iran, and it’s not like they have great relations with Iraq or Syria. Iraqi politicians know not to bite the hand that feeds (the US) and are openly hostile to religious extremist nationalism in ISIS. They also don’t have the capability to prosecute a war against anyone other than maybe Syria, so, it’s just not happening.
I think Israel isn’t going to be willing to leave Gaza until Hamas is destroyed or degraded past the point of it being a serious threat
Can you see them destroying Hamas without killing hundreds of thousands of people? Hamas is of the people, the democratically elected government. Can Hamas be exterminated without also exterminating Gaza? Can it be done without genocide?
Dude, in both of those countries, Palestinians are a maligned minority and the government is not friendly with extremist religious orgs which would be sympathetic to the kind of genocidal goals of Hamas.
And in both those countries the masses are losing their fucking minds because a genocide is happening just across the border. The ruling class may not have an interest in fighting Israel or have sympathy for Hamas, but the overwhelming majority of the masses clearly do. Also, I notice you glossed over how it is very obviously in Russia’s interests to see this blow up into a regional war. Oh and look, Russia has a tight relationship with Bashar al-Assad, yet another player that could involve itself in a regional conflict.
I’m not saying a regional conflict is inevitable (I think it’s likely, but we could avoid it maybe), I’m saying if Israel tried killing everyone in Gaza it absolutely would become a regional war. This forcible population transfer, which is clearly happening and I’m not even sure how you can deny it, is a compromise position. And it’s still genocide.
Then it’s going to get messy, isn’t it? Hamas should probably surrender so the war can end.
If Hamas surrenders they just go back to being slowly squeezed to death. There’s no good outcomes for them.
Death by a thousand cuts or death from missile strikes.
Dude my best friend is Egyptian and no they are not
I didn’t realize your friend spoke for all of Egypt!
Well Egypt’s president is using the Israel-Gaza war to build up popular support and rally the masses behind his unpopular government, actively fomenting protests and demonstrations against Israel and in support of Palestinians. He’s actively riling people up and that has consequences, especially when he then turns around and beats the same protesters he lured into the streets! That’s happening on top of their debt crisis and economic troubles! Even if Egypt never gets involved, Israel’s war might destabilize Egypt itself. Oops!
This has the potential to spill over and the fact that you refuse to believe it just means you’ll be caught flat footed when it happens. I hope what Israel is doing doesn’t get your friend hurt.
If Hamas surrenders the blockade can end and Gaza can have an economic future - if, that is, the people of Gaza put a group interested in building that future into power and not another group interested in genocidal conquest of Israel.
That’s happening on top of their debt crisis and economic troubles! Even if Egypt never gets involved, Israel’s war might destabilize Egypt itself. Oops!
You’re right about the debt crisis within Egypt, but likely what’s going to happen there is that the IMF will bail them out with the condition that the military owned enterprises which the state subsidizes will be privatized. They’re a serious source of economic malaise, as is the construction of the new administrative capital. The most serious threats here to Egyptian stability is if there is actually a major refugee influx, which would strain the state, and if the economic problems form a tipping point into a depression for the country.
If Hamas surrenders the blockade can end and Gaza can have an economic future - if, that is, the people of Gaza put a group interested in building that future into power and not another group interested in genocidal conquest of Israel.
That’s a bold lie. Gaza has never had an economic future, just like the West Bank. It’s been a doomed ghetto and the only future it has with Israel is complete resettlement.
What fuckin racism? I don’t blame their race for the Gazans people having made stupid decisions as to who they should have as their government. Plenty of people of any race make stupid decisions - the Israelis elected Netanyahu, Americans elected Trump, for instance. Course, neither of those calamities compares to electing literal genocidal maniacs committed to a war of national suicide, but it’s hard to find something dumber than voting for Hamas.
And there are plenty of small countries which do well economically. Gaza could be one of them, with leaders who cared about their populace as more than human shields and PR opportunities.
You’re playing into the very classic anti-Arab racism of them all being stupid savages. They’re just backwards monsters that want to kill all the infidels, right?
You’re exactly who Israel is targeting when they make up shit about Hamas beheading 40 babies and raping women and girls. It’s pure racism.
And there are plenty of small countries which do well economically.
Israel controls all imports and exports so that’s literally impossible. Israel controls their fuel, their power, their water, their food, their medicine, everything. How are you this ignorant?
They can’t occupy Gaza and that’s why they left. Underestimating Hamas is how the Oct 7th attack happened, you wanna do that again?
They wouldn’t do it for Palestinian interests, they’d do it satisfy their own population so they don’t revolt. They have a lot of Palestinians that live in their countries and have family. Don’t forget about Qatar and Iran, since they’re Hamas allies. Also Turkey seems to be saber rattling a lot recently too. Don’t count out Iraq or Afghanistan either, they may not be able to contribute much but they’re no friend of Israel.
And it’s certainly in Russia’s interests for this war to blow up and entangle the US so it stops paying attention to Ukraine.
You underestimating the danger of a larger regional war, but I think Israel knows this and that’s why they’re trying for forcible transfer instead.
I think Israel isn’t going to be willing to leave Gaza until Hamas is destroyed or degraded past the point of it being a serious threat. Which I get. Oct 7 was unconscionable.
Dude, in both of those countries, Palestinians are a maligned minority and the government is not friendly with extremist religious orgs which would be sympathetic to the kind of genocidal goals of Hamas. Hamas gets their support mainly from individuals in the Arabian peninsula and Iran - neither of which can prosecute a war, the first because the countries there are too busy being fat and rich, the second because of geographical distance and their insistence on the use of proxies.
Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan have the capability to do anything here. What is the Taliban going to do, try to airlift some mountain jihadis with rifles in to the West Bank through hostile airspace? They’re not friendly with Iran, and it’s not like they have great relations with Iraq or Syria. Iraqi politicians know not to bite the hand that feeds (the US) and are openly hostile to religious extremist nationalism in ISIS. They also don’t have the capability to prosecute a war against anyone other than maybe Syria, so, it’s just not happening.
Can you see them destroying Hamas without killing hundreds of thousands of people? Hamas is of the people, the democratically elected government. Can Hamas be exterminated without also exterminating Gaza? Can it be done without genocide?
And in both those countries the masses are losing their fucking minds because a genocide is happening just across the border. The ruling class may not have an interest in fighting Israel or have sympathy for Hamas, but the overwhelming majority of the masses clearly do. Also, I notice you glossed over how it is very obviously in Russia’s interests to see this blow up into a regional war. Oh and look, Russia has a tight relationship with Bashar al-Assad, yet another player that could involve itself in a regional conflict.
I’m not saying a regional conflict is inevitable (I think it’s likely, but we could avoid it maybe), I’m saying if Israel tried killing everyone in Gaza it absolutely would become a regional war. This forcible population transfer, which is clearly happening and I’m not even sure how you can deny it, is a compromise position. And it’s still genocide.
Then it’s going to get messy, isn’t it? Hamas should probably surrender so the war can end.
Dude my best friend is Egyptian and no they are not
If Hamas surrenders they just go back to being slowly squeezed to death. There’s no good outcomes for them.
Death by a thousand cuts or death from missile strikes.
I didn’t realize your friend spoke for all of Egypt!
Well Egypt’s president is using the Israel-Gaza war to build up popular support and rally the masses behind his unpopular government, actively fomenting protests and demonstrations against Israel and in support of Palestinians. He’s actively riling people up and that has consequences, especially when he then turns around and beats the same protesters he lured into the streets! That’s happening on top of their debt crisis and economic troubles! Even if Egypt never gets involved, Israel’s war might destabilize Egypt itself. Oops!
This has the potential to spill over and the fact that you refuse to believe it just means you’ll be caught flat footed when it happens. I hope what Israel is doing doesn’t get your friend hurt.
If Hamas surrenders the blockade can end and Gaza can have an economic future - if, that is, the people of Gaza put a group interested in building that future into power and not another group interested in genocidal conquest of Israel.
You’re right about the debt crisis within Egypt, but likely what’s going to happen there is that the IMF will bail them out with the condition that the military owned enterprises which the state subsidizes will be privatized. They’re a serious source of economic malaise, as is the construction of the new administrative capital. The most serious threats here to Egyptian stability is if there is actually a major refugee influx, which would strain the state, and if the economic problems form a tipping point into a depression for the country.
That’s a bold lie. Gaza has never had an economic future, just like the West Bank. It’s been a doomed ghetto and the only future it has with Israel is complete resettlement.
Also, cool racism.
What fuckin racism? I don’t blame their race for the Gazans people having made stupid decisions as to who they should have as their government. Plenty of people of any race make stupid decisions - the Israelis elected Netanyahu, Americans elected Trump, for instance. Course, neither of those calamities compares to electing literal genocidal maniacs committed to a war of national suicide, but it’s hard to find something dumber than voting for Hamas.
And there are plenty of small countries which do well economically. Gaza could be one of them, with leaders who cared about their populace as more than human shields and PR opportunities.
You’re playing into the very classic anti-Arab racism of them all being stupid savages. They’re just backwards monsters that want to kill all the infidels, right?
You’re exactly who Israel is targeting when they make up shit about Hamas beheading 40 babies and raping women and girls. It’s pure racism.
Israel controls all imports and exports so that’s literally impossible. Israel controls their fuel, their power, their water, their food, their medicine, everything. How are you this ignorant?
It’s not a country, it’s a concentration camp.