• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I didn’t mean to ignore the important role America plays in spreading queer hate around the world too! Israel just plays a special role in this conflict.

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      1 year ago

      I wasn’t talking about the US but rather faith and culture based reasons.

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        1 year ago

        Faith and culture arise from the material conditions of society. The way religion is interpreted and the form culture takes are shaped by economics, politics, and other base structures.

        There’s a reason Christianity is so different in different countries and time periods, even though the book never changes.

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          1 year ago

          When preachers are preaching hate, I think sometimes it’s fair to say it is faith based hate.

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            But why are they preaching hate? They all preach from the same book, yet some preach hate and some preach compassion. You have to grapple with what makes the same religion different in different places and different times, and that comes down to the material conditions of society.

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              1 year ago

              Islam isn’t that different all over the world in this subject though.

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                North Africa and West Asia, the places where the countries which are majority Muslim, are all under imperialist domination. Either they are oppressed by pro-lgbt countries like the US or France, or their anti-lgbt government is being propped up geopolitically for oil and trade. There’s a context to this you are ignoring. That’s where the majority of Muslims live, that’s where the seats of their religious institutions are, that’s where Mecca is, so that has an effect on the religion itself.

                Also, remember, Christians were basically in agreement until very recently. It’s only been in the past decade or two that things have changed.

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                  so that has an effect on the religion itself.

                  Indeed.

                  Also, remember, Christians were basically in agreement until very recently

                  For sure. I’d definitely call it faith based hate though when American preachers are spewing hate. I’m sure the real culprit is material conditions but it seems a bit of a copout imo when it’s religion that’s being used to perpetuate that hate.

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                    1 year ago

                    It seems like a copout because you don’t like bigots. Understandable, I don’t like them either! I don’t waste my time blaming them, though, because I know if the material conditions change then the bigots would change too.