• Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca
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      It could be that the increase in gun related murders may be a factor in motivating people to purchase guns for protection. And the increase in ownership may also be a reflection of the number of people who purchased guns for a planned suicide, as evidenced by the rise in that number too.

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        While I’m sure that’s a small part of it, studies have already shown than owning a gun increases your risk for suicide, and the risk of homicide.

        https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/handguns-homicide-risk.html

        https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/handgun-ownership-associated-with-much-higher-suicide-risk.html

        Guns are a catalyst for disaster. If you’re suicidal, a gun makes it a lot easier to commit suicide, and therefore a lot more likely that you’ll do it. If you’re a violent person, a gun being nearby makes it more likely that your violent actions will be lethal.

        If it was simply and only [gun murder rise] -> [rise in gun sales for protection], that alone wouldn’t explain why gun deaths by suicide also rise. The explanation is that owning a gun makes death more likely. Which when you think about it, it is absolutely shocking that an item purpose built to kill makes death more likely.

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          Whelp, if you can’t convince people to get a vaccination for a virus that killed millions, you won’t convince people that giving up their guns will reduce their chance of getting killed.

          I think a lot of people are convinced that there would be less crime overall if more people had guns and cc permits. But I bet if some wealthy philanthropist set up a foundation to subsidize affordable guns and ammo for low income families and immigrants there would probably be a lot more political will to regulate firearms.

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            This is a rare and rational take. Thank you.

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            you won’t convince people that giving up their guns will reduce their chance of getting killed.

            Because it won’t. This has been proven time and time again. Reducing guns doesn’t reduce violence.

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              The point of reducing gun availability isn’t to reduce instances of violence, it’s to reduce the carnage after it. The force multiplying effect of a knife is significantly less than most guns.

              If we assume people are violent and dangerous, then we should limit the damage they can do.

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                If thsr were true, would we not see significantly higher rats of homicide and the like when guns are more prevalent? Or even any notable change whatsoever?

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                  We do see that trend though. Compare the homicide rates of the U.S. with European countries.

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                    Ahh, yes. Because there’s absolutely zero other differences between countries. If you had a valid point and not just bullshit, countries like Switzerland and Finland would be the murder capitals of Europe and not some of the safest, no?

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        The issue still starts with people using guns to take lives (as this is the point of guns), so inevitably more guns will mean more deaths by guns. The correlation sort of implies a causality in any case. If you want to kill someone and you have access to a gun or a knife, you will use the gun.

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          If you want to kill someone and you have access to a gun or a knife, you will use the gun.

          And in doing so, you’ll be able to kill a lot more people. A gun will almost always be able to kill more people than a knife.

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      Murders spiked under Biden and I don’t care about th suicides. I only care about the murders.

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        So you don’t cade about people dying? And you’re proud of that?

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          Little troll. Did I say that? I was clear in what I said and you try to troll for attention.

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            Did I say that?

            Yeah, you did.

            " I don’t care about th suicides"

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      I love how you make it obvious its about the tool and not the death. Its not about saving lives to you, you just want disarm them.

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        Complaining about gun deaths means I don’t care about gun deaths? What?

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            I still have zero idea how you could have come to such a conclusion.

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              I mean yeah, nobody expects you to be able to use basic reasoning, since you proudly display your utter lack of it.

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        What I like is they always try to lump suicide in with murders.

        I don’t think suicide should be illegal. People should be able to decide when to leave this world. I am in no way encouraging it but freedom means deciding how you live.

        I am concerned with the murder rate which is mainly in democrat cities.

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          I am concerned with the murder rate which is mainly in democrat cities.

          Do you have any evidence to support this?

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            Look at the top ten cities for murder. Can you name the republican city ?

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              You should support your claim, but I’ll entertain to you:

              https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/53/

              City Murder Rate per 100,000 Residents
              St. Louis, Missouri 64.54
              Baltimore, Maryland 58.27
              Birmingham, Alabama 50.62
              Detroit, Michigan 41.45
              Dayton, Ohio 34.18
              Baton Rouge, Louisiana 31.72
              New Orleans, Louisiana 30.67
              Kansas City, Missouri 29.88
              Memphis, Tennessee 29.21
              Cleveland, Ohio 24.09

              Dayton, OH is definitely Republican. Hella glad I moved away from that place. Otherwise, I have no idea. Being in the heart of Tennessee, Memphis is probably Republican?

              In any case, most of those cities are in Republican states.

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                Those are all democrat cities. They’re run by democrats.

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                  Okay, sure. I’ll concede the point. They’re cities run by Democrats. So what? You’re concerned about these high murder rates? How? What concerns you about them?

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                    That they’ll decide to leave the democrat cities and bring that crap to my town.

                    It also increases my taxes as I have to pay for state troopers to go into Portland to clean up the mess.