I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I didn’t vote.

In 2020 I voted for Trump because knew Biden would be bad. He has done better than I expected but the inflation is killing me and the focus on the wrong thing isn’t helping.

Early on I was a De Santis fan but my interest has waned as he has taken hard stances on things that need compromise.

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    He hasn’t done near as good as Trump. We are engaged in several conflicts, inflation is high, etc.

    I’d rather had Trump but I’m not a partisan hack. I can acknowledge he hasn’t destroyed American like everyone though.

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      He hasn’t done near as good as Trump. We are engaged in several conflicts, inflation is high, etc.

      The US was engaged in a number of conflicts under Trump, including the war and occupation of Afghanistan, which were ended by Biden. Trump’s administration was singularly disastrous for the United States - reductions in life expectancy, increases in the number of Americans addicted to drugs, and quite famously, fires and riots in the centers of most major cities which Trump was totally unable to control. Another thing Trump was unable to control: the spread of the novel coronavirus inside the United States.

      Objectively Trump is bad at being President. I don’t see how a conservative can dispute that - Trump’s tenure was a riotous time in both the US and the world.

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        Trump didn’t start those and the wars didn’t start under Trump. He was continuing conflicts that were already in play. The life expectancy was because of a pandemic and became worse under Biden. I don’t blame either of them for that. That’s partisan bs. The president isn’t in charge of drug addiction. That’s a state issue. The deaths were growing before Trump took office. Addicts are going to die. That’s life. I don’t see the value in spending a lot of money that’ll sort itself out. The riots were democrats rioting. Trump could have called up the military and didn’t. So you’re upset he didn’t use more force to quell the rebellion? That’s really what you’re complaining about ? Trump wasn’t able to control a virus? lol. Neither could Biden or Europe or rest of the world. It’s a virus. Maybe you haven’t read the constitution much but handling pandemics is a right of the states. So blaming Trump for your state failing is weird. I went back to active duty during the pandemic because of my skill set. We had to work with the states because that’s the law. The 10th amendment says if it’s not defined in the constitution then it’s a right of the state.

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          Trump didn’t start those and the wars didn’t start under Trump.

          I didn’t say that he did, but you said we weren’t in conflict under Trump, and that’s false.

          Trump did expand the conflicts in a number of theaters, resulting in the deaths of US servicemen; you just don’t remember noticing because he was responsible for so much domestic chaos, too.

          The president isn’t in charge of drug addiction.

          There’s literally a Federal agency, reporting to the President, that regulates and interdicts drug traffic in the United States. The President literally is in charge of drug addiction.

          The riots were democrats rioting.

          You’re saying that Trump couldn’t possibly have won left-of-center votes?

          Look, it strikes me that a politician - whose job is to build a popular consensus around a slate of policies and ideals - who winds up being absolutely hated by well over half of the American people, hated enough to take to the streets about it, can’t be said to be very good at the job.

          Neither could Biden or Europe or rest of the world.

          There were three virus outbreaks during the Obama administration that you don’t even remember because rapid and effective action by the administration prevented them from being national pandemics. So actually not only could Biden, but Biden did. Trump sat on his own balls on his first one. That’s pretty bad! Trump was objectively bad at the job, there’s just no question about it once you move beyond special pleading (“it was a virus! Who could have predicted?!” lol) and excuse-making.

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            Did you really just tell a veteran he didn’t notice being deployed? lol.

            The President literally is in charge of drug addiction

            No. The president is not. Once again that’s a state issue. The federal government is in charge of trying to stop the flow, monitoring pharmacies, etc. they’re not in charge of addiction or treatment.

            There were three virus outbreaks during the Obama administration that you don’t even remember because rapid and effective action by the administration prevented them from being national pandemics

            None of them were handle by the government. They just burned out naturally and Zika is still around. Obama did nothing to stop the outbreak. They just ran their natural course.

            hated enough to take to the streets about it,

            I thought they are rioting over Floyd. Now you are saying it was an armed insurrection against Trump ?

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              Did you really just tell a veteran he didn’t notice being deployed?

              Did you just tell a Federal public health researcher that public health isn’t a Federal responsibility? lol

              The president is not. Once again that’s a state issue. The federal government is in charge of trying to stop the flow, monitoring pharmacies, etc.

              Yes, but again, Trump didn’t succeed at these things either. Fentanyl from China flowed over the border and caused an ongoing crisis. Trafficking of drugs is a Federal, not state, crime. Trump’s DoJ should have had it in hand but under Trump, he had them spending more time on a fruitless wild goose chase for “corruption” in Mueller’s investigation instead of issues that actually affected Americans. Trump was incompetent.

              None of them were handle by the government.

              They were all handled by the government.

              Obama did nothing to stop the outbreak.

              There was no “Zika pandemic.” There also was no swine flu pandemic, SARS-1 pandemic, nor MERS pandemics in the United States. Oh, were those not the ones you were thinking of? Well, yes, that’s my point - you don’t remember them because they were objectively non-issues. They didn’t “burn out naturally”, they were actively and successfully stopped by rapid, effective public health action. I’m an expert in this field, remember?

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                Did you just tell a Federal public health researcher that public health isn’t a Federal responsibility? lol

                If you think that’s true. Cite the law that gives the federal authority to take control form the states. I’d like to see the law citation as you’re the first person to make that claim.

                Yes, but again, Trump didn’t succeed at these things either

                And neither did Carter, Reagan, bush, Clinton, etc.

                Can you cite the law that once again overrules the states? I’ve never seen nor heard that.

                They were all handled by the government

                Sure, show me the vaccines.

                You claim to be an expert but keep making claims that are false. I’ll see if you can cite these imaginary laws you claim.

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                  Cite the law that gives the federal authority to take control form the states.

                  USC 42 § 243

                  Sure, show me the vaccines.

                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371787/

                  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7172901/

                  https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/public/vaccination_qa_pub.htm

                  Any other dumbshit questions?

                  you claim to be an expert but keep making claims that are false.

                  If they’re “false” how are you so completely failing to refute them?

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                    Any other dumbshit questions?

                    Let’s keep it civil at the least. Because I don’t think most people could cite the law that gives the federal government authority to take control from the states. Don’t use your knowledge to browbeat people.

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                    SARS and mers were never an issue. As you are aware mers was never even used in the Middle East since it vanished before it could be trialed. My trip was cancelled for that reason. There was nothing to test.

                    Did you actually read the law? It states exactly what I said.

                    The feds provide assistance. They do not control it. That’s done at a state level. It’s why each state had different rules and the feds couldn’t do anything about it. They could only out rules on trains/planes and federal facilities.

                    It’s why Florida had lax rules and New York had strict rules.

                    It’s why I wa recalled since this is what I did for twenty years in the army as a medical officer.

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                    USC 42 § 243

                    Funny how you have to resort to citing blatant garbage that far exceeds the constitutionally granted powers of the federal government.