This has been a hot topic for conservatives. I fully support Ukraine, but at some point, they have to say they can’t push Russia out. Ukraine does not have the manpower or firepower to dislodge Russia. They’ve tried and failed. Western support is starting to go down because they have not made progress.

I don’t know the solution, but right now, it’s just a war of attrition, and Ukraine loses in that scenario. I suspect this will be a big topic of discussion during the presidential debates.

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    The US has publically stated they believe the losses are about 1:1

    Can I see your source for that?

    The counter-offensive failed. They did not re-claim any real amount of territory

    Categorically untrue. It’s certainly stalled, in large part because Russia was allowed the time to dig in deeply, as Ukraine was drip-fed the arms and ammo they desperately needed. You can’t use the fact that Ukraine has not been properly supplied as reasoning to stop supplying them completely.

    At some point you have to say it’s not worth the money we are spending and exposing our sensitive technology to hostile nations.

    Again, most of the ‘aid money’ stays in your country. The money you are ‘spending’ is enriching US businesses and creating jobs. Further, the ‘sensitive technology’ is almost exclusively stockpiled weaponry that, if unused, would need to be binned eventually.

    Leaving weapons gathering dust until they’re not usable in case someone discovers how they work is utter lunacy. They were made to be used, and even better, you don’t have to lift a finger as Ukrainian soldiers are the ones risking their lives.

    Putin will not stop at Ukraine. The global system of order is at stake. The US looks pretty weak right now, and it’s all thanks to conservatives (that’s who I mean by ‘you lot’, I presume you’re a conservative since you’re posting anti-Ukraine material to a conservative group).

    If you genuinely support Ukraine, then you’d support properly arming them so they can defend their country from a nation that’s hostile to both them AND you. Russia has ratfucked your election system, ratfucked your congress and senate, interfered with your democracy (such as it is), as well as mine and many other countries. You should be gunning to get at them, not bending over backwards to do their bidding. Which is what you’re doing by blocking funding for Ukraine.

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      Putin will not stop at Ukraine. The global system of order is at stake.

      In what fucking universe does Russia have that much military capabilities? They arguably only barely had it at the height of the ussr, let alone today

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        Putin isn’t the only threat to global stability. I didn’t say ‘Russia will conquer the world’. Think.

        What message does it send to countries like China (vs Taiwan who are crucial for chip manufacturing) when the USA is too weak to counter Russia?

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          China would have to be insane to invade Taiwan, us involvement or not.

          when the USA is too weak to counter Russia?

          Lmao good to know you’re entirely divorced from reality

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            Remind me again, which USA political party sent a bunch of their senators to Moscow on Independance Day? Was it the one you vote for?

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              We don’t vote for parties. We vote for people. What senator from Oregon went to Moscow?

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            Right now I can’t see China invading. They would destroy everything they want to keep. China could win the war, but that would be a pyrrhic victory.

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              Exactly. China stands to gain basically nothing from an invasion. Taiwan has naturally defensible terrain, and the only thing they have of value is the semiconductor industry, which would be destroyed in the war. And both the optics and casualties would absolutely suck for China and ruin their reputation hard.

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                That and China have never shown great competence in using their military. I suspect they are a paper tiger.

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          Don’t worry. We will get the Democrats out before they weaken us to much more. All the whining they did about defense spending has allowed Ukraine to hold Russia off for two years. Had the Republicans not spent the money, Ukraine would have fallen after a week.

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      Can I see your source for that? It is poor form to ask for common knowledge. I did a quick search and this one doesn’t show the one to one ratio. It does show Ukraine is losing a larger portion of its troops.

      https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-death-toll-questions-bakhmut-counteroffensive-1800947

      Russia’s death toll has surpassed 200,000, Kyiv’s military said on Wednesday, but the updated figure also raises questions about the losses sustained by Ukraine as its forces prepare a counteroffensive. A leaked document from the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency which circulated online in April 2023 suggested that Ukraine had sustained between 124,000 and 131,000 total casualties.

      Categorically untrue. It’s certainly stalled, in large part because Russia was allowed the time to dig in deeply, as Ukraine was drip-fed the arms and ammo they desperately needed. You can’t use the fact that Ukraine has not been properly supplied as reasoning to stop supplying them completely.

      It is categorically true. The counter-offensive has failed. There is no way to spin it otherwise. They did not achieve their military objective before winter. That is a failure. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/us/politics/us-ukraine-war-strategy.html

      If you genuinely support Ukraine, then you’d support properly arming them so they can defend their country from a nation that’s hostile to both them AND you. Ukraine is not defending America. Russia won’t attack America. The last time they did, Trump killed hundreds of Wagner soldiers.

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        Russia attacks your country in many ways, not just with troops. Do you know what asymmetric warfare means?

        Your ‘source’ for 1:1 figure is a leaked, unverified document?

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          The one to one was a comment from general Milley.

          And we do the same to Russia.