Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Tuesday he would tolerate no corruption or treachery in affairs of state while his country is struggling to find the means to defend itself against Russian invaders.
which by some weird thought process becomes a pro-Russian position.
I am a communist and the prevailing attitude in most circles I am in is not an explicitly pro-Russian one, it’s just not explicitly pro-Ukraine either. There is a also an underlying understanding of the reasons why the war started. Just because you don’t support one side does not mean you have to 100% uncritically support the opposing side. The sooner we stop thinking of everything in black/white terms of Team A vs Team B, we will be a lot better off.
Now there are those who have nostalgia for the USSR, which is not the modern Russian Federation, but it’s fairly niche. Usually people understand that modern Russia is not the soviet union. There are the patsocs too, but we don’t really claim them.
I am not the Official Spokesman of Communism, but those are generally the attitudes I have seen in most of my circles.
A world without “Teams” would be more productive but that’s not how humans work, sadly. Another problem is assuming the worst in a situation.
For example, one could see a lot of rule-breaking behavior occurring and a lack of moderator intervention. It’s very easy to jump to the negative conclusion that this is favoritism from the mods. A more positive outlook would be that the moderators are overwhelmed with new members and more mods are needed, preferably from “the other side” for balance. (Not volunteering, I def do not have that level of free time or commitment to refereeing politics, blech!).
Fairly niche? Most of the lemmygrad people are outright idolizing every totalitarian ‘marxist’ regime of the past century.
I totally get left ideology and do agree with Marx’ ideology, but I’ve never understood how simping for autocrats fits into that.
When I read that Lemmy had an active communist group I was looking forward to that, but the vehemence of the debate and the apologetic whitewashing of history really turned me off.
So yeah, please a debate that isn’t so black and white is very welcome imho.
Communists are very against fascist Russia. It’s just a small totalitarian-minded group masking as communists here who support Russia or some honeypot/psyop
This is why it’s so important to call out your own when they’re breaking the rules.
If you’ll forgive the comparison, it’s a bit like the rise of the US “alt-right”. It started out as a fringe group and their fanaticism was useful to the then-majority within party. But a consistent failure to call out the bad behavior led to that behavior becoming acceptable and then shortly after, a litmus test for whether you were a “true” party member.
Why not? No doubt it’s way easier to set up a bunch of bots accounts here than somewhere like Twitter or Reddit. They don’t even have to worry about looking legit because most of the users here are new accounts.
This is lemmy.ml, which is full of clueless tankies who confuse modern fascist Russia with the Soviet Union and love to consume Russian and Chinese propaganda. Anything “Western” is automatically bad and evil (those damn Anglos or something) and since Ukraine is backed by NATO, it has to be the bad guy. Take a wild guess at what the “.ml” means.
I guess what changed is that you are not on reddit anymore where nations advertise their propaganda. Ukraine government declared martial law, they are basically a dictatorship.
It’s surprising seeing so much Ukraine hate in one comments section. Did something major happen that changed public opinion?
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I am a communist and the prevailing attitude in most circles I am in is not an explicitly pro-Russian one, it’s just not explicitly pro-Ukraine either. There is a also an underlying understanding of the reasons why the war started. Just because you don’t support one side does not mean you have to 100% uncritically support the opposing side. The sooner we stop thinking of everything in black/white terms of Team A vs Team B, we will be a lot better off.
Now there are those who have nostalgia for the USSR, which is not the modern Russian Federation, but it’s fairly niche. Usually people understand that modern Russia is not the soviet union. There are the patsocs too, but we don’t really claim them.
I am not the Official Spokesman of Communism, but those are generally the attitudes I have seen in most of my circles.
A world without “Teams” would be more productive but that’s not how humans work, sadly. Another problem is assuming the worst in a situation.
For example, one could see a lot of rule-breaking behavior occurring and a lack of moderator intervention. It’s very easy to jump to the negative conclusion that this is favoritism from the mods. A more positive outlook would be that the moderators are overwhelmed with new members and more mods are needed, preferably from “the other side” for balance. (Not volunteering, I def do not have that level of free time or commitment to refereeing politics, blech!).
Fairly niche? Most of the lemmygrad people are outright idolizing every totalitarian ‘marxist’ regime of the past century.
I totally get left ideology and do agree with Marx’ ideology, but I’ve never understood how simping for autocrats fits into that.
When I read that Lemmy had an active communist group I was looking forward to that, but the vehemence of the debate and the apologetic whitewashing of history really turned me off.
So yeah, please a debate that isn’t so black and white is very welcome imho.
Communists are very against fascist Russia. It’s just a small totalitarian-minded group masking as communists here who support Russia or some honeypot/psyop
This is why it’s so important to call out your own when they’re breaking the rules.
If you’ll forgive the comparison, it’s a bit like the rise of the US “alt-right”. It started out as a fringe group and their fanaticism was useful to the then-majority within party. But a consistent failure to call out the bad behavior led to that behavior becoming acceptable and then shortly after, a litmus test for whether you were a “true” party member.
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I don’t know, they seem pretty capitalist to me
They’re not people, they’re CCP and Kremlin LLM bots.
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Why not? No doubt it’s way easier to set up a bunch of bots accounts here than somewhere like Twitter or Reddit. They don’t even have to worry about looking legit because most of the users here are new accounts.
Yeah I agree with the other guy. Easier to trial run bots on Lemmy then when things are looking “better”*** move them to more mainstream sites.
***Just less shit
This is lemmy.ml, which is full of clueless tankies who confuse modern fascist Russia with the Soviet Union and love to consume Russian and Chinese propaganda. Anything “Western” is automatically bad and evil (those damn Anglos or something) and since Ukraine is backed by NATO, it has to be the bad guy. Take a wild guess at what the “.ml” means.
It’s actually Mali, but they say it stands for Marxist-Leninist
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Tankies have their own opinions/reality about Ukraine. You’re not going crazy and be very skeptical of people presenting bold new “facts”.
Public opinion only gets more positive for Ukraine with each of these high level corruption arrests.
Tankies and dumbasses, think it proves their point that Ukraine will continue to be corrupt.
I guess what changed is that you are not on reddit anymore where nations advertise their propaganda. Ukraine government declared martial law, they are basically a dictatorship.