• KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    599·
    8 months ago

    Some of these are funny and make me laugh but I really hate that this seems to be the Linux identity.

    Shitting on Windows and it’s users got old years ago. I see one of these every few days, or I see it in the comments attacking other users, it’s just miserable and sad after a while.

    Like we get it, windows bad, lets move on.

    • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
      112·
      8 months ago

      Eh, it’s all heretics all the way down.

      Pick a preference. Go on. Any preference at all. Coffee? Great! All the coffee snobs agree that Starbucks is shit coffee. Then the pour-over gals and the espresso makers go home and wash their hands. Then the 40/60 pour-over gals meet with the 30/70 pour-over guys and agree that the espresso makers suck; then THEY go home and wash their hands. Then the 30/70 Japanese filter guys meet with the 30/70 German filter guys and agree that the 40/60 gals stink, and so on ad nauseum.

      No group hates outsiders more than they hate heretics within their own group.

    • dan@upvote.au
      4·
      8 months ago

      Shitting on Windows and it’s users got old years ago

      It was already old back in the 90s when people were writing it as “Windoze” and writing Micro$oft with a dollar sign.

      • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        175·
        8 months ago

        I know, nothing wrong with the joke per se, it’s just the repetitiveness of the shitting on Windows thing. Lately I’ve been thinking of unsubbing to these communities because of it.

        • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          172·
          8 months ago

          Windows gets in the news almost daily with new ways they made their product worse. Of course people are shitting on them, it’s still as relevant as years ago.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            82·
            8 months ago

            Absolutely this. If everyone just used their preferred OS and got along doing computer things, that’d be great. But when biggie-techs like M$ are constantly deciding to make stonks-money-fueled, idiotic waves that forcibly affect practically everyone who uses a computer at all, (like a dedicated “AI button” on keyboards. Or announcing they’ll suddenly just paperweight WMR (VR) devices whenever they feel like it, or the whole “Windows 11 makes a bunch of recent hardware incompatible” thing, or Bing shenanigans…), it draws plenty of justified ire.

            I grew up with Windows and loved it until later versions began getting more and more “user-hostile”.

        • BassTurd@lemmy.world
          3·
          8 months ago

          This one also shits on Mac, so it’s a little different. That and the more bad speak about Windows, the better.

  • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
    324·
    8 months ago

    macOS is UNIX. If your workflow is heavy on the command line, it feels pretty similar to Linux, which is no surprise. The userspace is definitely different (it’s not GNU) but if you ssh into a macOS box, you should feel pretty much at home.

    I feel like a lot of these flame wars are basically just “I like Y GUI better.” Which is one of the great things about Linux of course, that I can run i3 and you can run Plasma. For me, having a more-or-less unified (command line) interface across my Linux laptop, my various home lab SBCs, my VPS, and my work laptop is pretty nice.

    (And yes. I would much, much, much prefer i3 to yabai on macOS.)

    • loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works
      24·
      8 months ago

      In this case, I think the OS being closed source and kind of a “walled garden” where a company controls everything is what most Linux users dislike about Mac.

      None, or at least very few of us hate on FreeBSD or OpenIndiana the way we do on macOSX, so it’s not about it being UNIX. Furthermore, some Linux DEs can resemble the mac interface a bit, like GNOME, or even KDE if it’s customized a certain way. Granted, GNOME does have a few haters among us, but not at the same level as Apple.

      • WolfLink@lemmy.ml
        151·
        8 months ago

        macOS: there are very few issues, but when you encounter one, it’s impossible to fix

        Linux: there are lots of issues, and but they are all fixable, but each fix might be a rabbit hole of figuring out how to compile someone’s GitHub project they seemingly abandoned 4 years ago.

        • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
          101·
          8 months ago

          But boy oh boy, do you learn things from those rabbit holes. It can be a MASSIVE pain, but I enjoy that I’m at least picking up XP points whenever I make time to fix stuff and learn more.

          • dan@upvote.au
            2·
            8 months ago

            XP points

            You need to upgrade to 11 Points. XP reached EOL a long time ago.

            • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
              1·
              8 months ago

              I knew I was walking right into that one and I’m just glad somebody went for it. Well played bro hahaha.

              I did theme my KDE to look like XP on my laptop though…I miss the aesthetic, but maybe not a bunch of other things that have gotten infinitely better since then. :)

        • mac@infosec.pub
          2·
          8 months ago

          Honestly the only issues I run into on macOS are things that I’m probably doing to waste time anyway, like enable some random feature or setting that might be useful 1 in 1000 use cases and when that use case rolls around I’d have forgotten about the feature and end up doing it manually anyway.

        • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          8 months ago

          Windows: there are very few issues, but all of them are possible to fix if you’re willing to brave regedit and some random IT guy’s instructions from 12 years ago on a now defunct forum

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      8 months ago

      It’s technically Unix, but with randomised directories, with illegible logs, with a lot of the openness taken out and replaced by Apple’s “our way or the highway”. It’s Unix for people who didn’t want Unix anyway.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
      52·
      8 months ago

      Mac is part the OS, part walled garden experience, and part overpriced, less-upgradable hardware. Plus an overall design approach that values simplicity over configurability while I prefer the opposite.

    • dan@upvote.au
      1·
      8 months ago

      If your workflow is heavy on the command-line you’d probably get more value out of Windows with WSL than you would from MacOS… At least then it’s Linux everywhere rather than having to remember the differences between GNU coreutils and MacOS coreutils.

      • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
        1·
        8 months ago

        Sure, but you can also brew install coreutils on macOS.

        My point is only that macOS is UNIX. Linux looks a whole lot like UNIX**. But no matter how much you squint, Windows isn’t UNIX. Which is completely fine, and everyone is entitled to prefer whatever OS they choose. For me personally, macOS feels familiar. I will always choose Linux if I have the choice, but barring that, I’ll take an OS where I can rsync over my .zshrc and .vimrc with minimal shenanigans.

        **And in some cases is UNIX — EulerOS, a Linux distro, was UNIX-certified.

        • Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          8 months ago

          But it is. WSL is linux. With most distros available. Macos with coreutils is macos with coreutils.

  • abcd@feddit.de
    14·
    8 months ago

    I just hate myself: I‘m using a Linux Workstation with Job specific Windows VMs. Sometimes I even WOL my Workstation, connect my MacBook via VNC and look up stuff in Windows…

    macOS/Linux pretty much feels the same. Windows constantly bothered me with issues…

  • angrymouse@lemmy.world
    1910·
    8 months ago

    I prefer windows than Mac. At least windows and Linux UIs use some kind of similar pattern. Mac is too expensive and much more close than windows.

    Games? Mac is a joke. Personalization? Mac is a joke Price? Lmao

    Windows is dog water but is always my second option, at least I can use some Linux with wsl and dont have to relearn how to type.

    • SaintWacko@midwest.socialEnglish
      104·
      8 months ago

      Not a fan of Apple, but I have a work M1 MacBook that I use as my personal laptop, and it actually runs games really well. Even most games that aren’t made for Mac will run with the GPT.

      • herpaderp@lemmynsfw.com
        41·
        8 months ago

        Eh, the anti-Mac copy has been out of date for years now. Heck you can score an M1 for $300 — so I don’t even buy the “expensive” stuff anymore.

          • herpaderp@lemmynsfw.com
            11·
            8 months ago

            You can get them refurbished — they’ll show up from time to time.

            The real savings is if a unit has a broken screen or an easy part swap!

    • Unkn8wn69@monero.town
      72·
      8 months ago

      I personally feel like I can easier work with macos when I dont have windows at hand. In general I’m using Macos even fewer but its nice to have all Unix tools at hand. With brew its also seamless to install new stuff. Windows isn’t even unix…

    • riodoro1@lemmy.world
      94·
      8 months ago

      Mac is too expensive

      Have you ever paid for a copy of Windows? You know you should, right?

      If you’re talking about hardware instead, Mac computers are expensive but when it comes to quality the vast majority of PC laptops feel like fucking toys compared to them. When I see a hp or dell laptops Im repulsed (not talking about super duper premium lines which are hit and miss at best). I personally use an M1 macbook pro and I love the computer, the OS is starting to bother me though and I really wish Apple weren’t dicks and would make Linux run on the M cpus themselves.

      • baseless_discourse@mander.xyz
        3·
        8 months ago

        I think they won’t implement the linux driver because that means they will need to put their driver code in the kernel, hence needing to open source their driver.

      • DickFiasco
        2·
        8 months ago

        My current and all-time favorite laptop is an older MacBook Air (Intel) running Arch Linux. The quality of Apple hardware combined with Linux is unbeatable. I can’t wait until we get a reliable Linux distro that runs on Apple silicon.

    • nUbee@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      152·
      8 months ago

      I’d argue that Apple hardware is their greatest strength. It’s just hard to see that when their anti-consumer behavior and proprietary software gets in the way. If their laptops were able to run fully on free software without compromise, I’d have no problem buying their stuff.

        • mac@infosec.pub
          71·
          8 months ago

          Linux, they want to be able to put Linux on it without sacrificing any performance or battery life. You can put Linux on it (Asahi Linux) but it will likely never be as performant and efficient as macOS solely because the teams at apple work incredibly well together, they know the system inside and out, they know what its capable of running at and how far it can be pushed or how much can be placed on the efficiency cores etc.

          • dan@upvote.au
            2·
            8 months ago

            That and many pieces of open-source software are only available for Windows and Linux (and maybe FreeBSD). It’s not uncommon for developers to not want to pay the Apple Tax to port their app across, and it’s also not uncommon for Apple users to pay for proprietary apps that have open-source equivalents on other OSes.

                • TangledHyphae@lemmy.world
                  41·
                  8 months ago

                  They could be more like AMD in that regard, to answer your question:

                  Direct contributions to Linux kernel: AMD contributes directly to the Linux kernel, providing open-source drivers like amdgpu, which supports a wide range of AMD graphics cards.

Mesa 3D Graphics Library: AMD supports the Mesa project, which implements open-source graphics drivers, including those for AMD GPUs, enhancing performance and compatibility with OpenGL and Vulkan APIs.

AMDVLK and RADV Vulkan drivers: AMD has released AMDVLK, their official open-source Vulkan driver. In addition to this, there's also RADV, an independent Mesa-based Vulkan driver for AMD GPUs.

Open Source Firmware: AMD has released open-source firmware for some of their GPUs, enabling better integration and functionality with the Linux kernel.

ROCm (Radeon Open Compute): An open-source platform providing GPU support for compute-oriented tasks, including machine learning and high-performance computing, compatible with AMD GPUs.

AMDGPU-PRO Driver: While primarily a proprietary driver, AMDGPU-PRO includes an open-source component that can be used independently, offering compatibility and performance for professional and gaming use.

X.Org Driver (xf86-video-amdgpu): An open-source X.Org driver for AMD graphics cards, providing support for 2D graphics, video acceleration, and display features.

GPUOpen: A collection of tools, libraries, and SDKs for game developers and other professionals to optimize the performance of AMD GPUs in various applications, many of which are open source.
                • mac@infosec.pub
                  1·
                  8 months ago

                  Not my expectations,the user who posted above me. I fully understand part of the reason macOS is so good is because it’s the only OS they focus on.

    • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      8 months ago

      There are many qualms to have with it as an OS

      • It demands both a dock and a title bar, a huge waste of vertical space on screens that are vertically limited

      • There’s no way of globally enabling hidden files and folders (you can do it for finder through the terminal, but can’t do it for the file picker windows)

      • It doesn’t support multi-stream transport, so despite being all about simplicity you cannot display more than two display port screens over a thunderbolt connection, whereas windows can do 4.

      • It doesn’t support sub pixel rendering, making text look blurry AF on 1080p and any other screens that aren’t super high res

    • dan@upvote.au
      1·
      8 months ago

      MacOS has its oddities though. Some of its coreutils aren’t quite BSD but they’re not quite GNU either, so sometimes scripts have to either special-case MacOS or ensure they use options that only work across GNU, BSD and MacOS. This is an example of one I had to fix a few years back: https://github.com/yarnpkg/yarn/issues/1984