Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.
Dessalines is in the “we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome” camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.
Like complaining about attacks on LGBT people while supporting Russia and the USSR seems just the most hypocritical thing I can think of. Does he not know Stalin mandated a 5 year minimum forced labor sentence in Siberia for being gay and Russia today is only mildly better for LGBT people.
Frankly, I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
That being said, I’m sure that dessalines didn’t originate that himself – that’s apparently big in Russia’s propaganda.
Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, rather infamously had a quote shortly after the start of the invasion, when asked about the whole “how anti-Semitic can Ukrainians be if they chose to elect a Jewish president” thing:
Lavrov was asked about Russia’s claim that it had invaded Ukraine to “denazify” the country, which has a democratically-elected Jewish president.
“So when they say ‘How can Nazification exist if we’re Jewish?’ In my opinion, Hitler also had Jewish origins, so it doesn’t mean absolutely anything,” he told the station in Russian, referring to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s religion, according to the Associated Press. “For some time we have heard from the Jewish people that the biggest antisemites were Jewish.”
Nazi and fascist have different meanings in Russia. They mean people working against the interests of Russia, it originates from the USSR. For example the gay community was labeled fascist during the soviet occupation here.
Sure. You can find ideologically opposite militias fighting for Ukraine too, though. Zelensky is in charge and he’s obviously not a Nazi. He’s a Jewish guy who really wants to save Ukraine as it is and is completely willing to go full Western-progressive to do it. Singling Azov out without the context is basically a propaganda technique.
Also, Russia is acting a bit like Nazis from the very highest levels, except a shittier more openly corrupt version.
I’m not aware of any communist militias fighting for ukrane. That would be the ideological opposite of fascism. They outlawed those parties anyway, so it’s unlikely any commies would be like “yeah, let me defend this homeland that hates me and made my organization illegal!”
their self-styled “anti-authoritarian” platoon numbers several dozen
the lowest size estimate i’ve seen for azov alone is 700.
regardless, i’m interested to know how they’re doing now and how the ideas around anarchism in ukrane are developing. its been two years of war since that article was published and a lot has changed.
Yeah, I’m curious too. The Ukrainians would have every incentive to see them and other progressive-flavour groups grow, and the battle went well until recently, so I doubt they’re gone.
Oh, yea, the Ukrain military has a bit of a nazi problem but the time to deal with that is not when you are being invaded. Also the nazi talking point is mostly a red herring anyways since the nazi problem in Russia is magnitudes worse and isn’t limited to their military.
So it’s technically not wrong but tankies don’t really have a problem with nazies, otherwise they wouldn’t be defending Russia, they are anti USA and will side with anything that’s even close to that side with no regards to any other belief. I’m not a fan of the US either but I’m not going to blindly support anything against it either.
Who is “we”?
The lemmy devs run lemmy.ml. They’re kind of…out there, politically.
The lead dev, dessalines, has material like:
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html
Dessalines is in the “we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome” camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.
Like complaining about attacks on LGBT people while supporting Russia and the USSR seems just the most hypocritical thing I can think of. Does he not know Stalin mandated a 5 year minimum forced labor sentence in Siberia for being gay and Russia today is only mildly better for LGBT people.
Frankly, I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.
That being said, I’m sure that dessalines didn’t originate that himself – that’s apparently big in Russia’s propaganda.
Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, rather infamously had a quote shortly after the start of the invasion, when asked about the whole “how anti-Semitic can Ukrainians be if they chose to elect a Jewish president” thing:
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/02/1095926607/lavrov-israel-zelenskyy-hitler
Nazi and fascist have different meanings in Russia. They mean people working against the interests of Russia, it originates from the USSR. For example the gay community was labeled fascist during the soviet occupation here.
* frantically points to Israel *
You know there crazy when they think the left is the far right
TBF the Azov Battalion is a real neo nazi us funded (through Ukraine support) group… So… Not entirely wrong?
Sure. You can find ideologically opposite militias fighting for Ukraine too, though. Zelensky is in charge and he’s obviously not a Nazi. He’s a Jewish guy who really wants to save Ukraine as it is and is completely willing to go full Western-progressive to do it. Singling Azov out without the context is basically a propaganda technique.
Also, Russia is acting a bit like Nazis from the very highest levels, except a shittier more openly corrupt version.
Yeah I don’t disagree that the overall claim by Russia is bullshit, that doesn’t take away from the fact they do exist and are outwardly nazi.
I’m not aware of any communist militias fighting for ukrane. That would be the ideological opposite of fascism. They outlawed those parties anyway, so it’s unlikely any commies would be like “yeah, let me defend this homeland that hates me and made my organization illegal!”
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/06/09/meet-the-motley-crew-of-anarchists-and-anti-fascists-fighting-russia-in-ukraine
from the article:
the lowest size estimate i’ve seen for azov alone is 700.
regardless, i’m interested to know how they’re doing now and how the ideas around anarchism in ukrane are developing. its been two years of war since that article was published and a lot has changed.
Yeah, I’m curious too. The Ukrainians would have every incentive to see them and other progressive-flavour groups grow, and the battle went well until recently, so I doubt they’re gone.
Edit: Here’s their Wikipdedia page, including social media links.
Oh, yea, the Ukrain military has a bit of a nazi problem but the time to deal with that is not when you are being invaded. Also the nazi talking point is mostly a red herring anyways since the nazi problem in Russia is magnitudes worse and isn’t limited to their military.
So it’s technically not wrong but tankies don’t really have a problem with nazies, otherwise they wouldn’t be defending Russia, they are anti USA and will side with anything that’s even close to that side with no regards to any other belief. I’m not a fan of the US either but I’m not going to blindly support anything against it either.