I mean, itll be Project 2029 in 4 years.
Keep voting.
I was just thinking today that this will never go away. I then realized that this ideologic poison has existed far longer than I have, and will sadly exist much longer than I will. I’m not sure what to do with that other than always stand up when I can, do what I can, and hope for the best. We have great potential.
I disagree with the sentiment that it’ll never go away
It may always be there, but it can certainly be sapped of all its power and reduced to an anemic husk of its most destructive self
We must simply muster the will to see our nation to such a state where it is not only achievable, but electorally effortless, something that should be easy enough considering how several of their top agenda items basically boil down to “stop people’s votes from counting truly equally to ours in terms of electoral impact.”
We did it in California. The Republicans are powerless and have been for generations. It’s pretty great.
The seeds of volition will always bring forth a new challenger.
It devolves into a monarchy, it’s the exact thing this country was founded to protect against. Some asshole and his buddies, sorry ladies they don’t let you in the GOB club, will rule over everyone with the backing of the army and there won’t be anything any of us can do about it. Vote while you can.
all heil Kaiser Drumpf, first of his name and lord protector of the fascist american empire wannabe…
Trump is the fascism vaccine: He is the figurehead for malevolent forces that have been at work for many many years in the twisty tunnels underneath City America, and are now strong enough to come up onto the regular streets – but he comes in weakened form. He’s enough of a neutered fool to give the system time to learn to recognize the danger, and react accordingly in the future when it comes about for real. If it had been anyone else on January 6th, with competent, prepared execution that any adult who’d spent his career surviving in politics would have done, then all the people in the federal government who’d tried to stand in his way would already be in prison, and US-hosted Lemmy instances would already be required by law to interface with the software that monitored for unpatriotic postings and users. Also Gaza would, I think, be a massive graveyard, a haunting, mostly-empty place that most of the world tried not to think about.
I am 0% joking or exaggerating about any of that. It doesn’t mean that Project 2025 is safe by any means, but this is actually the safest possible means and details by which it could come to us, and if we can’t deal with this version, then that’s on us.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people pissed at our current immune system, complaining that it’s too old and weak to meet the standard of perfection they demand immediately. So instead of trying to keep it alive and build a strengthened immune system over time, they’re planning to just let the patient die, despite knowing how that would make their lives many times worse. It’s up to the rest of us to keep the patient alive and work to improve its health, in spite of them.
The young and inexperienced are disillusioned. Theyve not yet experienced that it takes years for any meaningful change to happen.
At the same time, we also have bad faith actors trying to focus our gaze only where they want it, (e.x. the accounts that only insist on posting news of the Gazan genocide) thus trying to ensure that the youth in this country checks out of any meaningful political action in this country.
The struggle of Good and Evil is such that Good must always fight against Evil and win repeatedly. Evil will never be destroyed. We just have to fight and win every time it emerges.
On the contrary though, Evil just needs to win once. And while it isn’t a permanent win, an era of Evil lasts much longer than an era of Good.
All we can do is decide what to do with the time we have left. Voting every year to keep evil at the bottom where they belong is the easiest thing we can do.
And the best part is that Democrats’ “we’re second worst so you have to vote for us regardless of how shitty we are” strategy only has to fail once.
No kidding. Why do something to prevent it from being possible in the future when the threat of it occuring is half your platform?
I hate that, outside of primaries and very local things, I’m always voting against someone rather than for someone.
Even in the primaries, I was voting against someone.
That’s how democracy works dude. Compromise is a fundamental part of it.
I’m ignorant because I’m getting old. I also feed the capitalist machine by working too much. What is project 2025?
Yes I could look it up, but I want to hear it from people not fucking biased shit bags.
To avoid charges of bias, how about direct quotes from their own manifesto:
Environmentalism “is not a political cause, but a pseudo-religion meant to baptize liberals’ ruthless pursuit of absolute power in the holy water of environmental virtue. At its very heart, environmental extremism is decidedly anti-human
The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (“SOGI”), diversity, equity, and inclusion (“DEI”), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensi- tive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.
Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned.
Rescind regulations prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, transgender status, and sex characteristics.
Contemporary elites have even repurposed the worst ingredients of 1970s `radical chic’ to build the totalitarian cult known today as “The Great Awokening”
Eliminate the heat-and-eat loophole. States can artificially boost a household’s food stamp benefit by using the heat-and-eat loophole. The amount of food stamps a household receives is based on its “countable” income (income minus certain deductions). Households that receive benefits from the Low-Income Heat and Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) are eligible for a larger utility deduction. In order to make households eligible for the higher deduction, and thus for greater food stamp benefits, states have distributed LIHEAP checks for amounts as small as $1 to food stamp recipients.
the USDA should not provide meals to students during the summer unless students are taking summer-school classes. Currently, students can get meals from schools even if they are not in summer school, which has, in effect, turned school meals into a federal catering program. Restore programs to their original intent and reject efforts to create universal free school meals.
Eliminate the Head Start program. Head Start, originally established and funded to support low-income families, is fraught with scandal and abuse.
and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights
Pornography should be outlawed
Lol
The First Amendment only covers racial slurs /s
But only the really bad ones like “cracker”
Ironically, these freaks could do with some post-nut clarity.
i am wholly convinced that a significant amount of conservatives, and especially republicans, are extremely gay and are as miserable as they are because a fundamental part of their existence is being forcibly supressed by themselves and everyone around them.
I want to live in the timeline where the republican party is brought down by rouge sluts who bring these people off behind a shed and slowly make them realize it’s okay to be gay.
Those grievances really peter out at the end. Seriously? You think america is turning into a totalitarian shit hole bent on literally destroying humanity and you’re also worried about a marginal food stamp benefit loophole?
It just goes to show how intent they are on destroying any government mechanism that helps regular people, no matter how obscure, in order to afford more tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy.
Go tell a hungry child how unimportant free school lunches are.
That’s true. They don’t have to do much to make things a lot worse for those who are already in the worst situations
Yes because they’re not serious thinkers, they’re reactionary idiots who grasp at straws and gets mad about the smallest things they hear about
Every single one of the shitbags that wrote this deserves to be shot, as a service to humanity.
Sorry, not sorry.
holy fucking shit, my European mind cannot comprehend this. If this was published as a work of dystopian fiction here it’d be criticised for being too over the top and unrealistic- and you folks are being actually threatened with it, what the fuck
Yup. The biggest threat, and the one we can do little about, are those who know this and still support it. The second largest threat are the ignorant who don’t know this and blindly support it. The third are individuals who know this, don’t support it, and don’t support the Democratic party. I argue knowing this information and supporting Biden AND carrying that success into his second term to continue pressuring is what will enact meaningful change.
Instead we seem to be getting people who don’t support Trump, the GOP, Biden, or any reasonable argument. Which while still in the minority, these folks are LOUD.
While I didn’t not believe, I had to look it up myself to verify that this is true. I kept seeing it but held out some semblance of hope.
Anyways, here’s the full 900+ page ‘mandate’ that anyone can read or (not) buy a physical copy: https://www.project2025.org/policy/
Of all the crimes in that list, trying to make “Great Awokening” happen has me facepalming the hardest
gender,
Just as a concept. Also, does this mean we won’t have to use gendered terms anymore 👀
gender [… and] other term[s in contracts and legislation] used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights
Well, apparently there has been no free speech since “gender” became a thing.
If anyone wrote this in Western Europe, they would go to jail, unless an angry mob lynches and kills them first.
Although Europe’s countries do have major parties with the same goals, they just avoid saying the quiet part out loud
Yeah, Central and Eastern Europe (mostly) is often a mess. Slovakia, Hungary, Turkey, Belarus…
Also happening in a not-yet-dictatorship-form in Germany, Netherlands, Finland, Sweden…
I need to buy a gun
No, you need to vote.
Porque no los dos
Shit bags.
Aren’t they supposed to hide all that shit behind tax bills and whatnot? Shouldn’t they at least sprinkle in a little bit of not-evil in there?
maga-oriented platform/agenda structured toward replacing existing checks and balances in government with ideological extremism, using violent force against political opponents, using minorities such as people of color, immigrants, and the trans community as a to-be-feared “other” as justification. literally mask-off fascism, in other words.
if you have time to kill, this creator does an excellent job of providing a leveled and cogent explanation. it’s quite depressing though so don’t watch if youve had a bad one. :)
edit: oops wrong link
Nice post. Also if anyone has time to kill I’ve got a list ready.
but I want to hear it from people not fucking biased shit bags.
Let’s be honest, we’re all biased fucking shit bags
I want to hear it from the fucking shitbags that share my bias lol
None of us here are biased. We know because we’ve told each other so!
I believe you because You’re on the same website I am and you’re telling me so
I am a communist. Take that to mean what you will and assume whatever implicit bias to what I’m about to write that suits you.
During trumps presidency, the administration attempted to do a bunch of stuff through executive orders and administrative state action. Some of that was successful, some of it was a failure. Before Covid, the line of thinking seemed to be that the failures were from either oppositional administrators or sclerotic institutions and couldn’t be reasonably overcome. if anyone remembers the rhetoric back then there was a lot of stuff we associate with fascism and naziism because it represented creating a structure of parallel power to government so that when government was unwilling or unable to take action that structure could step in and perform.
No need to discipline the weirmacht into perpetrating krystallnacht when the ss will do it.
Once Covid happened, either through a shock to the system or through hidden competence, the administrative state was shown to be capable of huge feats of logistics, information dissemination (importantly sometimes misinformation dissemination), media control and direct interaction in citizens lives.
Now that the dust has settled for better or worse, the people who were willing to stoke groups like the proud boys and events like unite the right have turned their attention to the clearly capable administrative state.
No need to manage a fickle paramilitary organization if you can actually just mobilize the weirmacht, you know?
Project 2025 is just that, a plan to use the administrative state to accomplish republican policy goals successfully. While the rhetoric and policy in it is often waved around to motivate people, the important part is that post Covid it represents a plan to use the state power that defined Covid to get those policies enacted.
This whole site is biased shitbags tho.
Everyone should be voting in every election, regardless of the existence of an attack on democracy and basic rights and freedoms.
You should vote in every election so we don’t end up in this situation.
This. Leftist candidates won’t be viable until far right candidates aren’t. We’re choosing between “I’ll be a dictator” vs “democracy will continue” and the fascist is a likely outcome. The window has to move left to “democracy will continue” vs “maybe we can make things better”. If you’re holding out for a communist to be elected, that ain’t happening in our lifetime. The revolution is not coming. Revolution only comes when life is utterly intolerable and the capitalists know better than to let that happen.
Our only real hope is to shift things that way over generations.
no, if your “democracy will continue” involves supporting a genocidal maniac regardless of your other options, then your hands are just as stained as that of your government and that of the nazi-zionist state it’s supporting
to rephrase, if you a Leftist (socialist, communist, anarchist, not a liberal) stoops so low as to vote for a genocidal or imperialist government to preserve fascist and inhumane values you don’t share, you’re just as responsible for the policies these governments enacts, be it land-grabbing, systemic discrimination, imperialist and genocidal foreign policies and the rest
those same policies would later be used against you, as when there’s no outer group left to stomp on, they’ll turn on you, case in point, draconic spy laws once used against brown ppl, muslims and other foreigners are now being used against americans
revolutions aren’t painstakingly planned, you prepare for it and embrace it when it happens
to op above, you must be quite priviledged to be in a position where “life isn’t utterly intolerable” that little minority…
This take is so dumb it should win an award.
You have two options:
- Supports genocide, isn’t a dictator, relatively progressive compared to predecessors.
- Supports genocide, wants to become a dictator, moved our country back 50 years, would probably end democracy if elected, currently in a criminal trial for paying a porn star he cheated on his wife with hush money then fraudulently claiming it as legal expenses.
If that choice isn’t obvious to you, you are actually a fucking moron. Abstaining is just as bad as voting for the dictator.
Your delusion: social upheaval where workers unite and form a glorious socialist revolution where we fill the reflecting pool with billionaire blood and everyone just magically agrees to get along afterwards.
What actually happens: millions suffer and die under the thumb of local fascist warlords while foreign powers balkanize the US to ensure we never get anywhere close to the progress we have now.
Quite a few people didn’t pay attention in history classes and it shows. The French Revolution is a pretty good litmus test actually – if you’ve studied it, you know that what came after killing the royalty and rich was chaos that no one benefited from. If you haven’t, you just think guillotines are based and that’s it.
Definitely gonna be voting but I won’t be happy about it.
Both of my parents, and most of my friends didn’t vote and laugh about it like it won’t mean shit. I hope they at least vote in November
Your parents and friends might be stupid. I know I fought hard to convince my friends to vote when I was young and I don’t think I got a single person to start voting.
I gave them all shit for it. The did not care. But they’ll readily bitch about how fucked the GOP is and how things need to change.
Only you can prevent democracy fires
Just vote for them
It will be Project 2029 after this election. Yes, vote for the democrats, but if you think positive change will happen just by voting then you haven’t learned anything from leftist predecessors.
Actual, meaningful change can only happen when the state is at a legitimate state of strain, from outside revolutionary pressure, whether that be from mass worker strikes, protests, or other such upheavels of the status quo.
While I disagree with plenty of the Biden administration’s actions, including the recent Title VII FISA and especially the support of Israel, let’s look at the positive change that has happened that you say won’t happen in the future:
- Expanded overtime for workers
- student loan debt relief
- returned net neutrality
- the first otc birth control pill
- the inflation reduction act, which also pushed green/renewable energy (there’s a LOT of environmental stuff in this act)
- more anti-redlining rules
- crackdown on junk fees and overdraft fees
- ability to audit Chinese companies (nod to trump on this one, too)
- reform electoral count act, hopefully preventing more shenanigans like trump initiated to pressure officials to change the count.
- conservation and preservation of the Colorado River
- support for small farms and food producers
- penalties for some schools leaving students in debt
- the CHIPS and Science act to bring chip production back to the US and boost US tech R&D
- boosting cancer research with ARPA-H
- made it harder to bust unions
- approved billions in infrastructure improvements and repairs
And plenty more improvements such as protection of land from drilling, strengthening alliances, boosting cybersecurity, etc.
Incremental, slight concessions and tweaks to the decaying Capitalist system will not improve things. It’s a slow, stagnating death.
For example, there is no meaningful reason that America does not have a robust system of high-speed rail other than lobbying from the automotive industry. Same with Universal healthcare and the pharma industry, same with public housing and landlords.
Biden tossing scraps while people starve and continuing the US Capitalist project will not result in meaningful improvements. Even if Biden had unlimited power, America would continue stagnating as wages fail to keep up with productivity and the third world is super-exploited for domestic super-profits.
The primary issue with arguments just like this one is that you need small and medium changes to effectively lay the groundwork for larger shifts. Moreover, these are still positive, so stop complaining. Show your support for what positive changes happen and promote MORE changes rather than constantly turning your nose up.
Read my comment history, lol. For example, on the Net Neutrality restablishment and on the banning of non-compete clauses, I uncritically supported these.
I absolutely support positive changes, but Biden is not merely a bunch of small positive changes. Biden is a continuation of Capitalism’s decline and is not reversing that course in any manner!
I do promote positive change. I donate to Palestinine, I donate to Strike Funds. I try to spread pro-Union sentiment without getting fired, and I read Leftist theory whenever I can so that I can do better.
What I will not do is waste my time punching left and minimizing criticism of the failing Capitalist Empire that is the US and those who support it.
I feel like this argument would have worked a lot better before Trump.
Do you want slow incremental positive steps forward, or massive bat-shit crazy, weaving-all-over-the-road while toying with destroying democracy, self-serving, ultra-rich benefiting and fuck-the-little-guy theocratic “reform”? Hm… that’s a tough one.
Those aren’t the choices. The 2 choices are slow stagnation as Capitalism crumbles and Workers ever-more exploited, or massive bat-shit crazy reactionary fascism.
Trump is worse, yes, but Biden continues America’s march rightward into its doom. I’ll be voting for Biden, but at the same time trying to actually contribute to society via donating to strike funds and trying to get others to read Leftist theory, as well as trying to slowly unionize and increase pro-union sentiment.
Biden doing small positive changes as America lurches towards its own destructuon and Biden fuels a genocide does not make him slow, incremental positive steps forward. America is a sinking ship and rather than fixing it, he’s handing out free massages and toys.
I mostly agree with you, but IMHO Biden has been better than any other president in my lifetime… and I’m 50 years old. His position on Israel is awful. I would 100% go nuclear (pun intended) on solving global warming. But beyond that, I think he’s done a pretty good job with the hand he’s been dealt. The presidency is not a monarchy. No matter who is elected it’ll be a long term battle to right this ship.
I don’t disagree with the statement that he is the least bad, I can’t say any President I have been alive for represents my views. He’s the least bad, but is still bad, IMO, so continuing to criticize him is important to me.
And yes, his position on Israel and the genocide of Gaza is abhorant.
For example, there is no meaningful reason that America does not have a robust system of high-speed rail other than lobbying from the automotive industry.
That’s not fair at all. There’s also lobbying from the airline industry. And probably greyhound.
The distances involved, NIMBYism, etc. are contributors as well.
Stop spewing slogans
What slogans am I spewing? I’m a Leftist, I am going to advocate for Leftist beliefs and criticize Capitalist beliefs.
I don’t care if you’re left.or right. To each their own opinion. You, however, are very clearly not spewing your opinions but slogans you were told to use, or thought sounded cool.
Nothing I said was a slogan, lol. They are my opinions.
“Hey, if we let Republicans destroy our country, it will actually help us in the long run. Trust me bro.”
Yeah fuck that bullshit.
It’s called “accelerationism” for those who wish to understand more. It’s dangerous thinking.
Accelerationism is definitely real, but absolutely wasn’t what I was referring to in any manner.
When did I say that? Never. I said Biden isn’t a positive change, you cannot get positive change electorally, so you need outside pressure.
Voting Democrat is what I am most likely going to do, I am just not delusional enough to think he will reverse Capitalism’s decay.
meaningful change can only happen when the state is at a legitimate state of strain
I took this to mean that you want the State to get worse so people will start a revolution. Maybe I misunderstood.
No, the state will get worse regardless. I want people to strike, unionize, organize, and pressure the state as best they can, and I do believe revolution is the best way to get there, but I don’t think the path there is to intentionally vote for bad policy so everyone suffers even more, lol.
Like I said, I will almost certainly be voting for Biden, but the idea that Biden is “slow, positive change” cannot be the prevailing thought process if we want actual change to occur. Biden is slow, negative change while Trump is fast negative change.
You think Biden is making the nation worse? Seriously? Have you paid attention at all?
You’re remarkably bad at reading.
Capitalism is in decline. Continuing Capitalism continues this decline. Slight bumps upward on a downward trend line does not reverse the dowmward trend. Make sense when put that way for you?
Would it kill you to actually engage with leftist ideas, rather than run away the second you don’t have an actual response, by the way?
Biden is slow, negative change
Verbatim. So Biden is not bad for the nation? It’s an upward trend? And this is…bad?
So the path forward is killing people? Because that’s what revolution entails. Once the killings start they tend to be indiscriminate and less about idealism than consolidating power. There’s a long history of revolution, and I can’t think of a single one that didn’t go off the rails and devolve into insanity. What makes this revolution you’re dreaming about different?
Revolution is the only way to meaningfully change whichever class is in power. It does not need to be violent, it can take on any number of forms.
Can you give an example of when a revolution wasn’t violent? Just one. Ever. In the history of humanity?
you cannot get positive change electorally
You certainly can, by actually fucking voting. Not in a single election, granted, but over time. Currently we’re choosing between fascist theocracy and democracy, because people who don’t want to live in a fascist theocracy won’t fucking vote. When they do vote, and fascist theocracy is no longer a viable position, we get to choose between corrupt capitalist democracy or social democracy.
I do vote. I have voted Democrat, and I will lilely still vote Democrat. Me voting Democrat will not make the Democrats move to the left, they will continue to be right-wingers because there is no leftist party and no reason for the Democrats to move left when they get their funding from large businesses and wealthy Capitalists.
We are choosing between fascism and liberalism. The reason this is an issue is not because “leftists don’t vote,”* it’s because the only parties that will ever be in power are parties that court wealthy Capitalists.
Even Social Democracy, while certainly better, would still repeat the same Capitalist decay. I would still vote for a Social Democrat over a Democrat, but I would still push for outside pressure like striking, unionizing, and straining the system so the will of the people will be upheld.
genocide this year so genociding continues to be a thing
- weak liberals who are too comfortable in their ill-gotten wealth and would do anything to protect their falling apart fascist state
Choosing the second-worst option so the first-worst doesn’t win isn’t supporting the second. If you want to make a difference, don’t abstain from voting. Help 3rd parties early-campaign.
.ml advocating for not voting and allowing fascism to deepen? Tracks
I live in a state without abortion access. Please do keep telling me how I’m trying to “protect a fascist state” by fighting for the right to protect my fucking body.
Obvious information warfare is obvious. Get a better act.
Fr, this will be commented on in their next performance review.
“Where do you see yourself disinformationing in the next five years?”
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