Notice how one of the underlying messages of the cartoon is that it’s Zionist Karen that is the real antisemite: by deeming that those demonstrating against the killing of children are antisemite (literally: against Jews), she is implying that killing children is a Jewish thing to do.
This is very much the kind of racism displayed by those who equate anti-Israel with antisemitic: they’re implying that Israel and its actions are all core Jewsih chracteristics, de facto slandering all Jews including those who disagree with Israel and/or its actio s, so they’re the ones who by definition are antisemite.
Zionist != Jewish, sorry. Killing children is something I would expect neozionists to be apologists for, not postzionists.You have a flawed premise.
They meant that Zionists are anti-semites. They didn’t mean that Zionism is Judaism, right @Aceticon@lemmy.world ?
Exactly!
(More broadly, people who weaponize accusations of anti-semitism to defend the indefensible)
Yeah, I probably read it wrong, nevermind.
Can we knock it off with the karens already? I haven’t yet met a bad person named Karen. Brenda. Now I’ve met a few train wrecks named Brenda. Or just maybe we can knock it off with the underlying red herring sexism. We know already karen is a catch all term to get the hate pointed at women and off of the gun toting proudboys.
maybe we can knock it off with the underlying red herring sexism. We know already karen is a catch all term to get the hate pointed at women and off of the gun toting proudboys.
“Karen” started as a term for white women weaponizing their whiteness to behave unreasonable, aggressive and entitled towards BIPOCs, despite being marginalized themselves, through their gender.
White men has conveniently left out the whiteness that they themselves participate in, and focused in on the
whitewomen, essentializing the unreasonable, aggressive and entitled behaviour as linked towhitewomen’s gender, rather than their whitenessClassic co-opting. A social dominant group taking a term that’s been used by marginalized groups to critique the systemic oppression inherent in current power structures; and instead use it to uphold and reinforce the current power structures and their inherent oppressive systems.
“Karen” has long since transcended past race and gender. I don’t care what you look like, it’s the attitude and the way you treat people that makes one a Karen.
You don’t have to be a white woman to have main character syndrome and act entitled to everything, treating people like dirt if you don’t get your way and climbing up the customer service ladder until you do, trying to get the people on the lower rungs fired because they told you no.
Or call the cops on someone in a park because you thought they were too loud with their skateboard. Or drop to the ground and scream “a [color] person is attacking me!” when you don’t like them walking their dog down the trail. Etc.There is a lot of prediction you’re doing in things you don’t like in other people. I mean holy crap you’re reading between the lines, reading minds, and injecting a bunch of stuff that goes way over someone who calls the cops on someone in the park for existing while black. All so you can live in some form of victimhood cuz you’re scared of women. Leave the actual flagrant racism alone and challenge your thinking pattern. Do some cognitive work. Not every woman is out to get you. A lot of that is you likely not owning your shit, someone likely didn’t want to put up with your shit (while existing female around you) and you projecting that shit onto them.
Meanwhile regardless how men dress or do they hair they can form a group for putting people to literal death.
But yeah, do go on cuz you’re offended someone for colouring their hair purple and ordered a pumpkin spice latte with almond milk not a cappuccino and gasp tried to tell you this and you decided they are trying to ‘get you fired’ just for that. That’s digging into the real important shit of the world, snowflake.
Instead of atomizing citizens via immutable physical traits, try looking at the only thing that matters, the relationship of the person to Capital.
It all matters.
Acknowledging how society divide and conquer, seperate and atomize citizens into segregated social groups, often linked to immutable traits, is essential to combat capitalism and tear down class dividers.
There’s a reason bell hooks coined “imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy”. These are interconnected oppressive systems. They strengthen and sustain each other, and one cannot be defeated without the others. Additionally; If you do not stand in solidarity with those who face a multitude of oppressive structures, they have less resources to fight the oppressive capitalist structures
Ignoring everything but capitalism is similar to white feminism ignoring everything but gendered oppression.
All women are not free until everyone is free.
All workers are not free until everyone is free
All black, indigenous, people of color and racialized minorities are not free until everyone is free
All LGBTQ+ people are not free until everyone is free
There is no workers’ liberation without women’s liberation without black people’s liberation without queer people’s liberation without disabled people liberation without…
You cannot mobilize the working class without addressing the very real, oppressive structures that have very real, negative impact on people’s lives.
Race isn’t real, and the idea that people are physically separated into racial groups is not real. That’s a human made, social construct.
But racism is real. Humans separating humans into different social groups based on the socially constructed idea of “race” is real. And the effects of racism is real. Different rights and treatment being allocated humans based on these social groups are real. And therefore, the shared struggles against structural oppression within these groups are very real - despite the basis of these social groups’ creation being a social construct
Not acknowledging the multitude of struggles and oppressive systems present in imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy makes it impossible to stand in true solidarity with fellow workers, across social groups. It’ll inevitably lead to reinforcing the unrecognized oppressive structures, and stand in the way of a united working class.
Could you clarify why “gun toting proudboys” isn’t sexist?
You should go ask a proudboy these questions you have for them.
The question isn’t aimed at proudboys but at you, calling use of the Karen name “underlying red herring sexism” but then demonstrating your own not so underlying but explicit red herring sexism with the use of “gun toting proudboys.” Unless you were being ironic of course.
Is this your first introduction with the term ‘proudboy’? Did you just sleep through 2020 election and too embarrassed to admit it or were you literally born yesterday? Or is this just a troll shitPost attempt? I’m going to go with the last one and block your ass. So you’re going to have to find someone else’s time to waste with bad faith posting though I’d prefer it if you didn’t but whatever. you are clearly hellbent on being the shittiest version of you.
The ultimate “lalala I’m not listening”. What a fucking crybaby.
I have. My ex’s mother was named Karen, and she was 100% Karen. Bigoted to the core. But I hear ya.
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Sums it up. Fuck the fascist, genocidal Israeli leadership, and fuck the population of Israel as well because overall they support what is going on.
And fuck US governments and institutions that invest in and fund Israel. Divest! Now!
I don’t hate Jewish people, but I am certain with all this bullshit Israel is pulling, the population of people that do is growing.
I don’t hate Jewish people, but I am certain with all this bullshit
theyIsrael are pulling (whilst claiming it’s on behalf of Jewish people), the population of people that do is growing.FTFY
I agree with your edit, the change has been made.
Biden should be sending weapons to Hamas.
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This was originally meant as sarcasm. But the votes and replies are certainly interesting.
But you can’t deny that it’s a hot one
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USA only does that to when they’re fighting for capital or against dirty commies
Lol commies? What year is it? The US does this when fighting terrorists. That’s been the big buzzword since 9/11.
Only because they needed a new name for those previously funded/given weapons
Biden supplied weapons to ISIS well enough to fight Syria, and now he is supplying weapons to ukrainian terrorists well enough to fight Russia and the European economy.
Biden supplied weapons to ISIS well enough to fight Syria, and now he is supplying weapons to ukrainian terrorists well enough to fight Russia and the European economy.
Terrorists? People defending their land from Russian invaders?
don’t feed the trolls…
🤦♀️you right
less USAID propaganda, cub)
Ukraine is ruled by a far right government along with Nazis
- The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
- Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- The blueprint of regime change operations
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part II: The OUN during World War 2, 1941-1945
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part IV: The Global OUN Network in Exile, 1962-1992
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Truthout, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
- The Conversation, 2022: Ukraine war follows decades of warnings that NATO expansion into Eastern Europe could provoke Russia
man this post has all the flavors of the israel palestine conflict.
Nothing quite like lemmy for that, would be surprised if the troll factory mobilized on reddit’s worldnews was beginning to catch on to the troll factories on the other side of the coin mobilized on lemmy. In fact, this being in lemmy.ml, I would normally expect only to hear about pro-Hamas opinions. Guess we’ll have to wait to see which comments get removed to see if things have changed or if it was simply just an day off.
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You see, we need a moderate, balanced take on the topic of genocide. It would be impolite and improper to take a firm stance on such things. Just think of how you might hurt the feelings of a genocide enthusiast! I don’t know how I would sleep at night.
Yawn. I guess everyone who doesn’t tow the party line and join the two minutes hate is censored here. My commentary was reasoned and appropriate to the comic.
God you’re so right, this is literally 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami. When will genocide supporters get their human rights?
7 hours later and I can still see it so I think you might be full of shit.
I see a little blue trashcan next to their comment… but I can still see the comment. I do not know what to make of that.
A glitch in the Fediverse I guess. Here’s my view.
I think so, there was a spammer a few weeks ago and after mods removed the spam it still showed up for a few days. Here’s what it looks like in sync:
This bug report is maybe relevant ? https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4630
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‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism
I think you mean anticolonialism.
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What do you call it when you forcefully remove hundreds of thousands of natives without letting them return and then replace them with people from all over the world?
And this is still happening in the west bank.
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Israel is European. That’s why it’s participating in Eurovision this year.
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Culturally, yes. Although it shouldn’t be.
Only a racist would claim that a slogan which is at most anti-Israel is antisemitism because only a racist would would accept the “logic” chain of though required to equate Israel with Judaism: “all jews are the same hence they all support Israel hence Israel and Judaism are the same”.
It’s even worse considering that some Jews are against the actions of Israel and even against Israel itself, so this person is saying that those Jews are antisemites (quite literally: against Jews), so a Non-Jew deeming some Jews as “Bad Jews”, a good old practice of, amongst others, the Nazis.
One of the underlying messages of this cartoon is exactly that it’s the Zionist Karen that’s the real antisemite because claiming that somebody demonstrating against Genocide is against Jews, she’s implying that Genociding is a Jewish thing to do.
Thanks for the nuanced comment. Of course the signs don’t only say ‘stop killing of children in Gaza’, but often ‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism.
Of course antisemitism ? That is what the repeated front-page news of mainstream media tried to make me believe a while ago, and then lots of politicians started to believe that as well, even banning that sentence in some countries. Here’s some information on it :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
Many Palestinian activists have called it “a call for peace and equality” after decades of Israeli military rule over Palestinians while for Jews it is seen as a call for the “destruction” of Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel Read it and then say again “from the river to the sea is antisemitic”.
Chiefly, it also has the added benefit of being a phrase that you can rhyme with the word “free”
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The full chant is “from the river to the sea [Palestine will be free]” which to me means that the state of Israel is unwelcome. Hell I’ve joined in on that chant, even though I’m not theoretically 100 against a permanent Israeli settlement, so long as it takes on a very very different form.
Even though the removal of the state of Isreal would mean the ethnic cleansing / genocide of millions of Jews?
Israel isn’t going anywhere. Many Arabic countries have already successfully completed the total eradication of all Jews within their populations, so they need somewhere to call home.
Oh by the way, the original Arabic translation of “To the river to the sea” ends with “Palestine will be Arab.” They just changed it in English.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
What’s the matter, antisemite? Don’t like freedom? And yes, I’m calling you an antisemite, because you’re speaking against Palestine, which is a semitic nation.
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Those two things aren’t the same. The eradication of Israel is not the expulsion of all Jews, because Israel and Jews are not synonymous words. What you’re trying to tell me is that they’re synonymous, and that Jew means coloniser. I don’t believe you. That’s an anti-jewish stereotype I won’t entertain.
Also, how come Palestine doesn’t stretch from the river to the sea anymore? It used to, and it did so within living memory. It wouldn’t have anything to do with people being forced out of their homes at gunpoint, would it?
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Wow, Hamas said it, huh? I didn’t know Hamas was every single person who ever said the slogan. See, I thought Hamas was the government of a region that isn’t even the whole of Palestine. And furthermore I thought a lot of people saying it weren’t even Palestine government officials at all. But Hamas is the only group that ever said it? Interesting. Guess I’m Hamas.
The eradication of Israel IS the genocide of every single Jewish person in the region. Both governing parts of Palestine have made it explicitly clear that they will kill every single Jewish person they can get their hands on if given the opportunity. It’s one of the many reasons why a lot of countries consider them to be terrorist organisations.
When did Palestine stretch from the river to the sea? That region used to be Israel thousands of years ago, then it was in the hands of various empires. At no point since the formation of Palestine as an independent state did it cover that territory.
Yeah so, ummmmmm, who subjected the Palestinians to such brutal oppression while secretly supporting right wing governments, such that what you describe is the case?
BTW most of the population of Gaza is children too young to vote, and of the people at voting age, most of them couldn’t vote in the last election, which was 18 years ago. Maybe the people of Gaza could rebel against Hamas and institute a democratic form of government if they weren’t so busy being slaughtered by Israel. For that matter, maybe Hamas’ rhetoric would be less persuasive if Israel weren’t slaughtering them while calling itself representative of all Jews. You can’t blame them for buying Israel’s own propaganda that says Jews are the enemy and that they’re all murderous colonisers. Maybe Israel should stop putting out propaganda that says that.
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I dunno, did you ask this to the nazi siding with Israel?
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Lol desilusion
Ummm, Israel is committed to indiscriminate violence, the world more than ever before watches in horror. If pro-Israel demonstrations are in full support of this violence, the mass killing of women and children, children dying of famine, the leveling of schools, universities, hospitals. Then that makes their protest pro-violence if they embrace all this death and destruction.
