• breadsmasher@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Source on all your statistics and values. I provided an original source from the FDR library of speeches. I went out of my way to give you an accurate source as possible.

    Now your turn. Don’t pull anecdotal numbers from your ass that you vaguely remember. Provide a real, verified source.

    You seem to think people had zero money when that was implemented. Do you think it’s better today? Minimum wage covers nothing. Rent on a house is over the amount minimum wage pays.

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    You said “minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage”

    I said “never INTENDED - factually false”. He absolutely intended it.

    You now saying all that other stuff is irrelevant, moving of the goal posts.

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      Source on all your statistics and values.

      Average rent 1940 $27 per month

      https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/average-rent-by-year

      Food costs

      https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/40sfood.html

      Meat $6 per month (1/2 lb per day) Eggs $1 per month (2 dozen) Bread $0.40 per month (3 loafs) Fruits $2 per month (1/2 lb per day) Vegitables $2 per month (1/2 lb per day) Milk $1.50 per month (2 gallons) Cereal $0.35 per month (2 boxes) Flour $0.05 per month (1 lb)

      Total $13.30

      You seem to think people had zero money when that was implemented.

      Where did I state that?

      Minimum wage covers nothing. Rent on a house is over the amount minimum wage pays.

      Never made the claim that it was.

      You said “minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage”

      I said “never INTENDED - factually false”. He absolutely intended it.

      Do not judge a bill based on what a politician says judge it on what it actually does. At the inception of the minimum wage it was below a living wage.

      You now saying all that other stuff is irrelevant, moving of the goal posts.

      I’m judging minimum wage based on results not the propaganda spewed out of a politicians upper oriface.

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          1 month ago

          Don’t be mad that you asked for sources and they were provided.

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            1 month ago

            Sources are great.

            Read the rest of my post. Learn what the word “intended” means. Understand how “intended” doesn’t mean successfully implemented. Understand that by stating “it wasn’t intended” is false.

            Is english your first language? I can simplify it for you if the language is a challenge

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              Only a fool determines intent based solely on what someone says, espically a politician. Blindly believing that FDR intended minimum wage to be a living wage because he said so but somehow couldn’t get a living wage passed is impressively naive. The National Industrial Recovery Act passed the House 329-80 & senate 60-26, he had the votes for 0.35 per hour but didn’t do it.

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                  Are you debating what you believe you can read from someones mind?

                  Yeah, we both are. Your argument is that FDR said it so it must be true, mine is what he did contradicts what he said.

                  Remember the old adage actions speak louder than words. FDR had the support to implement a living wage but implemented minimum wage instead.

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                    And back to the start we go.

                    You said “minimum wage wasn’t intended to be a living wage”. FDR in his speech specifically stated it was intended.

                    Your statement was factually false.

                    “Minimum wage was intended to be a living wage but FDR and the american government failed to achieve this”. I agree. It didn’t become a living wage.

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      https://drexel.edu/hunger-free-center/research/briefs-and-reports/minimum-wage-is-not-enough/#:~:text=Though often considered the baseline,over the following 71 years.

      Though often considered the baseline of livable wages, it is important to note that even when it was first created, it did not represent a true living wage.

      So when it was created. It wasn’t a living wage. I’ll tell you another secret. Politicians say one thing and do another.