My current device and the two before that all have had removable batteries. I’ve always thought built in batteries are stupid and it’s nice to finally notice that other people agree. Hopefully they next mandate that it has to be able to be taken apart with a screwdriver and spare parts must be able to be purchased straight from the manufacturer.
Hopefully they next mandate that it has to be able to be taken apart with a screwdriver
It does include that, mostly. It says that any tools that aren’t commonly available without proprietary rights or restrictions (i.e. screwdrivers) have to be provided by the manufacturers free of charge
I prefer ip68 to easily accessible battery. I’ll need to change my battery maybe once every 3 years, but I need to know it can handle moisture far more often than that.
This is why I want replaceable batteries in small EVs like bikes and such, too.
And why I have thought for a while that it would be nice to have maybe 30% or so of electric car batteries be replacable with a moderately large rack in the “frunk” or trunk. But that’s just me.
Gogoro’s existence is kinda bittersweet, it shows that it’s possible, but that companies aren’t willing to standardize and cooperate to make it the status quo and actually possible to build swap stations for globally, of even across just Europe.
Ideally I’d want to see a plan where an e-bike or electric kickscooter takes one or two, and motorcycles take a few more. Idk if you could make batteries in that form-factor and put 12 or so into a car to gain enough miles to make a difference. Perhaps eventually, if we get the energy density gains we’re hoping for.
Car-wise, I have no expectation that the industry will shift towards low weight and drag like Aptera is pushing for, so I don’t expect efficiency gains that way.
This isn’t a replacement, but I have said for years now that someone needs to market a rentable tow-behind or rooftop battery sort of like U-Hauls for extra capacity needed for longer trips.
I have a handheld marine vhf radio with a removable battery that I can throw in the ocean and it will work and continue to work for days. Don’t believe the bs the manufacturers tell you.
IP ratings don’t actually guarantee that in any way though. They don’t even guarantee that from the factory it won’t get water damage the second a drop of water hits it.
I agree though, replacing a battery isn’t something I’ve ever needed to do tbh.
The status quo is that almost every phone already has an easily replaceable battery. Replacing them isn’t really going to get any easier with this - phones aren’t going back to removable back covers because of this. At best it means all the screws in the phone will be phillips head, and there will be better pull tabs securing the batteries in place, because batteries already aren’t hard to replace.
They’re hard enough to replace that last time I tried, it started inflating itself not long after. And they’re hard enough to replace that it costs over half the price of a used phone to get it professionally replaced.
Depends on the phone really. iPhones are super cheap to get a brand new battery installed by apple themselves. It’s not even worth replacing a battery in an iPhone yourself unless it’s one that apple won’t do, but if it’s one they won’t do it’s like nearly 10 years old I believe.
The older the phone is the harder it likely is to replace the battery. These days phones are designed with the battery easily accessible because it makes manufacturing and repairing easier.
My current device and the two before that all have had removable batteries. I’ve always thought built in batteries are stupid and it’s nice to finally notice that other people agree. Hopefully they next mandate that it has to be able to be taken apart with a screwdriver and spare parts must be able to be purchased straight from the manufacturer.
Ya the only reason I get new phones is because the battery gets too weak. I could easily keep the same device for 5+ years if I could swap batteries
The only reason I get new phones is cos OS updates stop flowing. That happens way before I notice any battery degradation. This law solves nothing.
I’m an android guy but you can solve that problem by going iPhone if so inclined
The fact is I prefer Android when it comes to phones.
Really? How long does Apple support iPhones?
Samsung and Google support their current generation phones for five years. Apple supports theirs for seven years from when they’re last sold.
3 Major OS updates, 5 years of security patches
Wow that’s a big plus for apple that I never knew about. Thanks!
I’m not sure but a lot longer than android
You can. It cost $15 every three years to have someone replace the battery for you or you can spend the hour doing it yourself.
On a pixel phone?
Yes. $15 and an hour. You can bring in your own battery or pay ~$60 USD for an official one. It’s all very easy.
This law won’t change shit. People are still going to dump their phone every 2 year.
It does include that, mostly. It says that any tools that aren’t commonly available without proprietary rights or restrictions (i.e. screwdrivers) have to be provided by the manufacturers free of charge
I prefer ip68 to easily accessible battery. I’ll need to change my battery maybe once every 3 years, but I need to know it can handle moisture far more often than that.
You can have both. My Galaxy XCover 6Pro is ip68 rated.
The another benefit with removable batteries is that if you have two you can go from 0 to 100% charge in about a minute.
This is why I want replaceable batteries in small EVs like bikes and such, too.
And why I have thought for a while that it would be nice to have maybe 30% or so of electric car batteries be replacable with a moderately large rack in the “frunk” or trunk. But that’s just me.
Most of the ebikes and motor scooters I’ve seen have removable batteries. Gogoro in India even has a battery swapping network for their scooters.
Gogoro’s existence is kinda bittersweet, it shows that it’s possible, but that companies aren’t willing to standardize and cooperate to make it the status quo and actually possible to build swap stations for globally, of even across just Europe.
Ideally I’d want to see a plan where an e-bike or electric kickscooter takes one or two, and motorcycles take a few more. Idk if you could make batteries in that form-factor and put 12 or so into a car to gain enough miles to make a difference. Perhaps eventually, if we get the energy density gains we’re hoping for.
Car-wise, I have no expectation that the industry will shift towards low weight and drag like Aptera is pushing for, so I don’t expect efficiency gains that way.
This isn’t a replacement, but I have said for years now that someone needs to market a rentable tow-behind or rooftop battery sort of like U-Hauls for extra capacity needed for longer trips.
People have tried it. The extra drag of a trailer or roof box consumes most of the extra energy that they carry.
Can be done with screws and rubber seal, no need for glue and glass.
All it needs is that little rubber band, and you have to handle it carefully when closing the lid.
Psst those Brands are not your friends and might lie about their reasons to make batteries non-removable.
Any moderately well built phone won’t die just because you took it out in the rain.
I have a handheld marine vhf radio with a removable battery that I can throw in the ocean and it will work and continue to work for days. Don’t believe the bs the manufacturers tell you.
IP ratings don’t actually guarantee that in any way though. They don’t even guarantee that from the factory it won’t get water damage the second a drop of water hits it.
I agree though, replacing a battery isn’t something I’ve ever needed to do tbh.
Because you buy a new phone before the battery is weak?
Yep. By the time my battery has dropped significantly I’ve long since moved on to a new phone.
And do you think that’s a good argument for letting the status quo continue?
I didn’t say it was.
The status quo is that almost every phone already has an easily replaceable battery. Replacing them isn’t really going to get any easier with this - phones aren’t going back to removable back covers because of this. At best it means all the screws in the phone will be phillips head, and there will be better pull tabs securing the batteries in place, because batteries already aren’t hard to replace.
They’re hard enough to replace that last time I tried, it started inflating itself not long after. And they’re hard enough to replace that it costs over half the price of a used phone to get it professionally replaced.
Depends on the phone really. iPhones are super cheap to get a brand new battery installed by apple themselves. It’s not even worth replacing a battery in an iPhone yourself unless it’s one that apple won’t do, but if it’s one they won’t do it’s like nearly 10 years old I believe.
The older the phone is the harder it likely is to replace the battery. These days phones are designed with the battery easily accessible because it makes manufacturing and repairing easier.