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    Someone just removed many lifetimes of CO2 emissions with a couple of lines of code.

    Shame that usage will just expand to fill the gap. Thanks late stage capitalism. Degrowth.

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      Yeah, one man did hours of profiling and the other made the patch more elegant lol

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        Kind of like the butcher who got his hands dirty cutting a steak and then a Michelin star chef cooking it for you.

        One got his hands bloody. The other made it delectable for you to eat.

        Which is more important to the process?

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            Like the Linux kernel, the cow is merely a means to an end in this example.

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        He followed legal advice from lawyers and removed some russians from being kernel maintainers to comply with sanctions.

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          People are more mad about how he did it rather than just the action he took. If he just explained why without being a prick nobody would care.

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              No, I also found the way he handled it really distasteful. Even before his response, just generally the way the whole thing was attempted under a veil wasn’t great. The actions taken should have been transparent from the start.

              I do agree that it shouldn’t be polluting this thread like this though.

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              What is the point of this comment? Linus was childish as hell in the email chain and started a bunch of drama for literally no reason. I’m not mad as much as I am embarrassed to be a part of the Linux community when things like this happen.

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            There will always be something to pick at, and with the number of trolls on here to inflame and manipulate any legitimate concerns, i highly suspect the troll farms and related pawns would find something to bitch about.

            The fact is, not everyone has the EQ to state the issue perfectly clearly in terms everyone can accept.

            “No, do you really expect me to look past what Russia is doing? Absolutely fucking no,” is basically reasonable.

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            We have to face is Linus might be good intentionned but his years on the internet have made him an remorseless abrasive juvenile dickhead. I wish he’d lampshade it because most of the tine he comes off as just a nasty arogant goblin. It’s clear he feels permitted for his accomplishment and hard work to take his frustrations on others and it’s clear he knows it’s really not fucking helping but it seems he simply can’t help himself. Like being nice is a sign of weakness.

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          He went beyond that. “As a Finn, do you really expect me to up in arms to support the Russians…”

          Bravo, slow-clap.

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            I mean, do you? This is a violation by Russia of another sovereign state. Thus, everyone in Russia is affected by the consequences of that action.

            The Russian kernel coders, no matter their innocence, are subjects of a nation that can compel them to misbehave.

            Now, if they were leaving Russia and defecting, that’s another matter, where they are pulling their individual sovereignty away from the Russian state.

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              I have no problems with the action, and I have no problems with his attitude.

              The effort to isolate Russia is an acceptable result of the Russian violent invasion. Russian citizens are not to blame for their nation’s behaviour, but they do share responsibility.

              Removing contributes from the maintainers list is not an extreme action, but it is important as a statement.

              As for not feeling the need to defend the Russian citizens, it is nearly righteous for people from nation’s that have been bullied by their neighbours.

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        He took the authorization for a bunch of Russians from being able to keep working on the Linux stuff. I’m def not remembering everything and I’d suggest you searching any news about it, it’s an interesting read

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    The discussion on LKML was so civilised compared to this one.
    I wonder what the phoronix one is like…

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        He would only escape if he was a presidential candidate or a multi billionaire.

        Since he is neither and he works on US soil, then the law came after him. You would cave in, if in similar circumstances.

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        I already explained my point about it. A lot of companies rebased themselves when political issues occured. The Linux Foundation could easily do that. It’s just racism.

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          Sanctions against a country/nation that is attacking another sovereign nation are not “racist”. Russia could easily stop their war to start getting rid of the sanctions.

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            It depends, though. There are western and other countries invading and much worse, but there are no sanctions. It could be racism, interests or both that only a certain country is targeted with sanctions.

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              There should be sanctions on every country invading. Its not rocket science. It’s crazy to say that russia is being sanctioned for racist reasons. They are literally attacking an European nation. Makes sense that other European countries sanction them, no?

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                Yes, there should be sanctions against any country doing that and worse. But there aren’t. Why not? I see a lot of downvotes and no explanations. As per Europe, aren’t we talking mostly about US, since Linux is trying to follow their sanctions? Also even Europe is divided about who the enemy is, like pesky Hungary.

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              Then other countries should make sanctions on the US where it masters to them to do so.

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              So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where? Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.

              Why would they relocate? To keep a few Russian maintainers? Because not relocating is “racist”? Not sure what you mean, just trying to guess.

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                Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.

                Savage truth.

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                So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where?

                Somewhere stable and neutral like Switzerland or some island. I’m not a lawyer so can’t say which country is the best for it.

                Because not relocating is “racist”?

                To some extent, yes.

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                  “Russian” is not a race. And Finland has a history with Russia that isn’t easily forgotten. That is to say, every Finn I’ve spoken to hates Russia for invading Finland… Twice…

                  Finland isn’t even the only neighbour that hates Russia. At some point one has to wonder why so many of Russia’s neighbours hate, or at the very least don’t feel comfortable with, Russia.

                  Maybe, just maybe, the reason why everyone is having issues with Russia is Russia’s own damn fault.

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                  Switzerland is currently sanctioning Russia. Let me say that again to be clear: moving to Switzerland, the most neutral country in the world, will not prevent you from having to abide by sanctions against Russia.

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          Counter argument: The maintainers could “easily” relocate to a country that is not currently conducting an invasion to enlarge its territory.

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            As I understand it was employer-based ban, not country-based.

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              Usually uprooting your life and moving to another country implies a job change. At least that’s how I read the comment.

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                Maintainer of Baikal SoCs not employed by Baikal sounds tough to find.

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            Do they? They could have just isolated those commits as sanctioned and added a warning. Linux hates Russians as a Finn, so didn’t need much convincing to remove them.

            I would be singing a different tune if our allies invading other countries at the moment were also sanctioned, but that’s not the case.

            As it stands, let the individuals escape the nation state punishment. They didn’t start this war, and likely don’t support it.

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                Of course that’s how sanctions work… against nations. Linux isn’t a country, it’s not an American asset. They could have resisted. Linus chose not to.

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              Rationally speaking, the whole purpose of sanctions is to sanction the whole population of the country in order to get the government of the country to change it’s policies. And when it comes to sanctions, companies and entities doing business with the sanctioned countries are themselves sanctioned. So Linus had no choice but to remove the Russian contributors.

              We’re talking about a real situation, not about what would be better.

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          “A lot of companies” completely left the sphere of influence of basically any country except Russia? Doubt.

          I know the company i work for has to take similar steps when the sanctions went into effect, for example. Same as almost everyone.

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          …it’s not. It is stupid, it stalls mainlining of Baikal, but it is not a racism.

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          They are bound by USA sanction law, moving to another NATO country would be same sanctions against Russia

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              So your advice is basically “come on, guys, you can resist russian aggression in ways that don’t involve conflict, stop the sanctions and side with Russia pls”?

              No. As the instigator of this conflict, Russia can back the fuck down.

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                At this point I’m sure you’re just trolling. I fully support sanctions against Russia but not against Russian people unless they were officially proven to actively support the war, especially if their actions don’t result in income to Russian Federation in taxes. I think I made it clear.

                Also Linus supports US’s terroristic acts and invasions by paying taxes to the country so it’s not necessarily any better.

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      You think open source project maintainers should move to different countries because of temporary sanctions? What if they have a wife with a job and kids in school? Or delicate Lego collections that are impossible to pack? Or a side-piece?

      Take issue with the sanctions if you want but don’t take issue with people who don’t want to move their family, LEGO collections, and side-pieces.

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        There are hundreds of Linux developers, including companies like Red Hat, Intel, IBM, Google, and more. You want all these people to up and move to… where? Somewhere. Russia, or a Russian ally presumably but hell if i know. Anyway you want them all to move so a handful of people working for Russian weapons manufacturing companies can keep maintaining pieces of the Linux kernel?

        This is obviously a non-serious suggestion.

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        Move physically? Of course not. If it’s required to register the foundation, they could ask a maintainer from the country to register it. It’s not the cleanest of schemes but it should work. Though if Linus lives in the US now, it can still cause issues because US law system has been proven to not work and they could easily arrest him illegally if they wanted to. However in this case it’s the same as living in Russia. Both countries are terroristic.

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          You can disagree with the law if you want, but breaking the law (sanctions) and being arrested is a legal arrest.

          I have tons of issues with the US legal system, but I don’t pretend like everything I agree with is legal and everything I disagree with is illegal. That would be moronic.

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      Removed by mod

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      He is a finn, what do you expect from him? I fully support his position

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        Really sticking it to those… friendly Russian kernel maintainers. Really doing your part for your individual Two Minutes Hate.

        So presumably, as a consistent person that is outrages by invasions and death, you call for the expulsion of all Americans and Usraelis, right?

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        He is a finn, what do you expect from him?

        Continued use of the swastika in his military and a stubborn refusal to acknowledge how many Soviets the Finns starved to death in Leningrad while working with the Third Reich, presumably.

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          Because he’s not making any political, moral, or personal decisions, and only follows the law he is forced to.

          When the law forces him to sanction Israel, he will do so, and when the law stops forcing him to sanction Russia, he will stop doing so.

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            bullshit, his statement was unprofessionally filled with glee at banning russians who he clearly sees as evil as a whole, as he’s banning people who have nothing to do with the war that he has worked with for years just so he can make a libshit stink over it.

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              I completely agree he was unprofessional about it and should have handled it better. It was his choice in how he communicated it, and I think he failed on that point. Having said that, it was not his choice to do it, and I’m sure he will undue it when it’s legally possible. Hopefully using better judgement on his choice of words then.

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        Would you support him banning AmeriKKKan and Isn’treali developers too, given that their countries’ war crimes are far grander in scale, horror, and devastation than Russia’s?

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          Plus, they actually have a history of injecting backdoors into everything. Israel’s government is known in the international stage for their espionage and blackmail first and foremost (on the domestic, for their genocide of course).

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            Yes, all of the people who initially used the software and tested it before you are the people who already moved away from Reddit for ethical reasons, not because of the API catastrophe. We are more likely to be on the older instances, not the Reddit instances. Lemmy.ml users tend to be far more politically aware of how propaganda works and avoidant of US interference. New instance users like to cheerlead the US exactly like reddit does.

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              Wherever there’s Americans, there’s fascists. Their media is so xenophobic all the time they think not calling for concentration camps for Mexicans is all it takes to not be racist. Can’t believe it’s not just acceptable, but popular to act like Finland has any right to be xenophobic against Russians.

              “But the war”, yeah, check again when the winter war was and what exactly Finland wanted to achieve. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

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                The Finnish winter war is harrowing to read about, especially the effects on their history departments. They are all completely devoted to whitewashing Nazis. If you haven’t read Tepora’s Finnish Civil War 1918 History Memory Legacy I recommend finding the time.

                And yes it’s ridiculous. Not calling for EVEN MORE concentration camps for Mexicans while still maintaining the current border system impresses them.

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      This has to be a record for the most downvoted comment on Lemmy, holy moly. This is a huge absolute margin even for reddit.