Justice Dept. seeks longest sentence in Capitol siege by far for leaders Henry “Enrique” Tarrio and Joe Biggs, convicted of seditious conspiracy
Justice Dept. seeks longest sentence in Capitol siege by far for leaders Henry “Enrique” Tarrio and Joe Biggs, convicted of seditious conspiracy
Sounds like he’d be getting off lightly. We used to hang traitors.
The U.S. military did, but the United States Government has not. They even let the ultimate traitor Jefferson Davis go. Fact is that the government is fine making impossible for traitors to work in any form of government.
Good point. Today I learned something.
They really were all pardoned.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardons_for_ex-Confederates
They pardoned former Slave Masters and Slave Master sympathizers, but not Abolitionists.
Why would abolitionists need to be pardoned for fighting in the Civil War?
You missed my other comment with a link.
They tried John Brown, an Abolitionist, for treason, found him guilty, and hung him.
John Brown, who literally attacked a United States Armory?
Yeah man, that’s treason. John Brown did the moral thing that just happened to put him at risk of being charged for treason. Guarantee you he knew this before he did it.
Founding Fathers all committed treason as well. Treason isn’t inherently wrong, it’s just illegal.
So?
I didn’t bring the topic up.
They being the State of Virginia, not the United States.
John Brown
Brown was charged with murder, insurrection, and treason against the state of Virginia, not the United States.
That’s a fair point.
I don’t think the US would have done any differently if he were tried federally though.
He was part of a militia. Close enough.
In my state, claiming to be in a militia without authorization from the governor or federal law is a felony. We don’t have militias.
Legally, treason has a very specific definition. He is treasonous filth but didnt technically commit the legal definition of treason.
You really, really do not want the government to be able to unilaterally dictate what treason is.
Legally, treason has a very specific definition. Colloquially, he’s a fucking traitor and there’s nothing that can happen to him that’s so awful he doesn’t deserve it.
Agreed. If he goes to prison I plan on starting a non-profit dedicated to mailing him submitted pics of people just standing outside doing whatever they want
Isn’t treason only in times of war? I think that’s why they are being accused of sedition instead. I suppose that’s kind of a minor point regardless since I think the only major difference between treason and sedition is the wartime distinction.
I wouldn’t call the death penalty or anything that might introduce it a minor point. But I get what you’re saying and I’m being pedantic.
Seems very tied to war, but not exclusively. I’m not a lawyer, so don’t come to me if you do commit treason for some reason.
Exactly use to be death sentence to be a traitor. Watch Trump get house arrest.
Outside of the military the United States Government rarely did more than just lock up traitors.
Notable exception of the Rosenbergs, for whom new info has come out over the last few rounds of declassification.
Julius was almost definitely guilty, but Ethel very likely had no idea. The government went ahead and convicted and killed her anyway to protect the methods and sources of how they caught Julius.
Fun fact, that trial was prosecuted by Roy Cohen, long time mentor to Donald Trump. But when Roy went into the hospital to die from complications with AIDS, Trump abandoned him without a second glance.
They were spies, that gave the Soviets a lot of nuclear weapon data, which goes beyond just treason.
Trump was Commander in Chief of the military.
Firing squad still an option for him.
I don’t think the UCMJ applies to the President, given that it’s a civilian office.
Lol, he’s not going to be convicted for treason. I guarantee that his lawyers will successfully argue mental incompetency, which isn’t even close to a lie.